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Turned on heat pump last week and smoke started to come out of the vents?

Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Bloody Bucket
North Alabama
Member since Jun 2021
9 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:56 pm
So we turned the heat on last week to get the dust and other stuff burned off while we had the windows open getting ready for cooler weather. Well one of the vents in the kitchen starts to have full blown smoke coming out of it. Certainly smelled like something was burning. Smoked up the house.

My heat/cool guy hasn't been able to work me in yet so was curious if it could be from a rats nest or something like that inside the unit? Course it could be something with the unit itself but won't know till the guy comes out. Just curious in the meantime? Thanks!
Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7391 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:25 pm to
seems like if it was the unit then it would be coming out of all the vents.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76523 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:51 pm to
If the heat strips kicked on it could be anything sitting on top of them as well.

You should be able to open up the inside unit and see the coils/strips to see if there is anything major.

Doubt it can get hot enough to ignite anything in the plenum or ductwork.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34105 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

Well one of the vents in the kitchen starts to have full blown smoke coming out of it.

How far is the vent from any cooking surfaces? Maybe it’s grease going back up the duct?

I’m in no way an a/c expert, but that’s what came to mind first.
Posted by Bloody Bucket
North Alabama
Member since Jun 2021
9 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:48 pm to
It was the vent on the other side of the stove so don't think it was grease or anything from cooking related. It did seem to be that one vent that the vast majority of the smoke was coming from but also I think that vent is the closets 'to the outside unit. First in line so to speak.

I could smell a burnt smell coming from inside the unit through the fan on top as well. It is a propane heating unit by the way. I was hoping it could be a rats nest or something minor like that. Thanks for the help!
Posted by Bosethus68
We Call It Dat Boot
Member since May 2011
5321 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

If the heat strips kicked on it could be anything sitting on top of them as well.



quote:

heat pump


Do Heat Pumps normally have an aux heat strip? I never messed with them much. If so, that could be it.
Posted by Harambe
Cincinnati Zoo
Member since Aug 2016
297 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 4:15 pm to
I guess they can have aux heat but in a residential setting I wouldn't think so. A heat pump just reverses the flow of refrigerant to produce heat at the evap coil instead of expelling heat through condenser coil. Could just be dust/growth build up on your evap coil getting burned off? If its still not smoking from the initial turn on then your probably good.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Bloody Bucket
North Alabama
Member since Jun 2021
9 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 5:20 pm to
Well I haven't tried to turn it back on yet since it smoked so bad. I guess I could try again before the HVAC guy comes (whenever that's going to be) I don't guess it could hurt anything else???
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76523 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

Do Heat Pumps normally have an aux heat strip? I never messed with them much. If so, that could be it.




Mine do. Emergency Heat could how it would be listed.

Not sure the normal delta setting for emergency heat is, but if it was 72 in the house and you kicked the setpoint up to 80 then you likely triggered the emergency heat to come on. Usually if the temp drifts more than 3-5 degrees or so from the setpoint the emergency heat will kick on to help out.

If you installed a smart thermostat there is a good chance you don't have enough delta for your temps and it kicked the heat strips on. Mine was set from the factory at 1 degree or so.

If you haven't used your strips in years you could have inadvertently kicked them on by making the setpoint so much higher than the actual temp.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40608 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:51 pm to
When we almost froze to death in TX earlier this year I think this smoke thing happened to me too (or I read about it researching my system during the freeze). Either way, I recall it not being cause for alarm and related to aux heat strips.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 10:52 pm
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
3994 posts
Posted on 11/4/21 at 11:42 pm to
All heat pumps have emergency heat strips.
They are just like space heater elements (think what your oven looks like).
Anything flammable sitting on them for months is going to ignite when they come on.
Posted by mingoswamp
St. Louis
Member since Aug 2017
975 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 7:55 am to
quote:

All heat pumps have emergency heat strips.


Not true, my emergency back up is a natural gas furnace.
Posted by Lsu4life42
Central LA.
Member since Nov 2015
593 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:55 pm to
That would be a big negative, I work on AC and Heat and I have had a fire start from dust on heat strips
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
6812 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

vast majority of the smoke was coming from but also I think that vent is the closets 'to the outside unit.

Outside unit would not cause this. All air that is blown in your house comes strictly from your inside unit
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
3994 posts
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:59 pm to
Interesting. I always thought that was the reason for a heat pump, if you didn't have a gas furnace, heat pump was the alternative.
Why would you not just have a split system with gas heat and A/C? Especially being in St. Louis where it is below 35 degrees a lot of the time which makes a heat pump completely inefficient.
Not flaming, I am seriously curious for the reasoning. Is it cost effectiveness from having the heat pump operating until it gets cold enough, then gas is more efficient than big arse oven elements on 220V?
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6450 posts
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:22 pm to
I would say its unusual as well.

Most of the time you would see a heat pump system in conjunction with aux heat/emergency heat supplied by the electric strips.

Otherwise if you're in an environment that gets cold enough for long enough it would be better to have a separate furnace system for heat and standard a/c.

While I guess it could be more cost effective(in terms of daily energy use) as you elude to run a heat pump system until it's cold enough to need a furnace system, I'd have to imagine the initial costs of having a ac/heat pump + furnace system as well as maintenance or need to replace sooner due to usage patterns might outweigh the cost savings.
Posted by mingoswamp
St. Louis
Member since Aug 2017
975 posts
Posted on 11/8/21 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

Why would you not just have a split system with gas heat and A/C? Especially being in St. Louis where it is below 35 degrees a lot of the time which makes a heat pump completely inefficient.


Sorry for the late reply. I have an attic mount furnace (horizontal). My cousin/installer told me I couldn't install a HE unit on its side.

My biggest complaint all my registers are ceiling mounted and it takes a bit to clear the attic temps, but that was a problem with the prior furnace too.
Posted by Bloody Bucket
North Alabama
Member since Jun 2021
9 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:38 pm to
I had a friend who is a propane come out yesterday and look at the unit and he said that he thinks either the internal fan motor burned out and/or the circuit board inside the unit. The burners worked fine just no heat coming into the house so it has to be some sort deal with the fan. He said he had no idea how much a fan would cost these days though. Tomorrow I have a HVAC guy coming out that he recommended so hopefully we will get to the bottom of it.

Thanks for the help and replies!
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