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Mel Tucker sucks as a d-coordinator (spreadsheet inside)
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:32 am
Tired of seeing people say he was some great d-coordinator with a great resume. The spreadsheet below uses PPG for the NFL and SP+ for college. Can't find SP+ equivalent for individual units in the NFL. If someone has a preferred SP+ like metric for the nfl, happy to update.
Some takeaways:
- In every circumstance but one, the defense improved after Tucker left (sample size: 6)
- Only twice did Tucker improve a defense in his first season, and only three seasons did he ever improve the defense beyond what it was when he took over (sample size: 14 seasons)
- In the NFL, Tucker only fielded a top 16 PPG defense twice (sample size: 7 seasons)
- Michigan State is Tucker's first stop where he improved on the predecessor defense sp+ for more than one full season (but with the meat of their schedule coming up, I expect this to drop and not be true by the end).
What am I missing, Tucker stans?
Edit Updated title to more accurately reflect the spreadsheet
Some takeaways:
- In every circumstance but one, the defense improved after Tucker left (sample size: 6)
- Only twice did Tucker improve a defense in his first season, and only three seasons did he ever improve the defense beyond what it was when he took over (sample size: 14 seasons)
- In the NFL, Tucker only fielded a top 16 PPG defense twice (sample size: 7 seasons)
- Michigan State is Tucker's first stop where he improved on the predecessor defense sp+ for more than one full season (but with the meat of their schedule coming up, I expect this to drop and not be true by the end).
What am I missing, Tucker stans?
Edit Updated title to more accurately reflect the spreadsheet
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:36 am to Ocardowin
Thanks, I'll be sure to take this into consideration
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:39 am to Ocardowin
Your logic is sound.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:40 am to Ocardowin
Can you put this on a Powerpoint for me to use when I make my presentation to the committee?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Can you put this on a Powerpoint for me to use when I make my presentation to the committee?
I already called dibs dude
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:40 am to Ocardowin
are you showing that he has had a top 15 defense in college every year he's been a coach (besides the one year at Colorado)?
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Can you put this on a Powerpoint for me to use when I make my presentation to the committee?
I will print it for your binder.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:42 am to Chicken
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are you showing that he has had a top 15 defense in college every year he's been a coach?
I assume those are conference rankings, but not sure.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:43 am to Chicken
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are you showing that he has had a top 15 defense in college every year he's been a coach?
1. That's false (Colorado)
2. Trajectory is more important than absolute numbers without context (see the whole "Coach O and Saban had the same record at LSU!" nonsense).
3. When he made every unit he inherited worse, and every unit he had got better when he left, it says something about him.
Yes, of course, it would have been worse if he inherited the #2 defense and dropped them to #80, but that he "only" dropped them to 14 doesn't mean he's a good coordinator.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:45 am to Ocardowin
So those are national numbers?
Dude, you aren't making the point you think you are.
I don't need the Powerpoint any more. I won't be bring this shoddy presentation to the committee.
Dude, you aren't making the point you think you are.
I don't need the Powerpoint any more. I won't be bring this shoddy presentation to the committee.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:46 am to Ocardowin
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Tired of seeing people say he was some great d-coordinator with a great resume.
Good thing he isn't in the running for DC.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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So those are national numbers? Dude, you aren't making the point you think you are. I don't need the Powerpoint any more. I won't be bring this shoddy presentation to the committee.
"His defenses were still top 15" without considering what he inherited and how they performed right after he left is the Tucker equivalent of "Why fire O? He and Saban had the same record at LSU."
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Good thing he isn't in the running for DC.
Except it would be his defense, first. And second, this is what Tucker defenders love to say when they trot him out as a viable candidate. "He has an elite resume"
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:51 am to Ocardowin
I'm not a fan of Tucker, but the fact that you think taking over a No.2 defense at Georgia, and leaving with it No.8 (approx 1.5 ppg difference) is moronic.
Even at Ohio State, the difference in 4 and 11 is less than two points, and you aren't comparing equal schedules year-to-year.
While trying to knock Tucker, you are actually promoting him.
Even at Ohio State, the difference in 4 and 11 is less than two points, and you aren't comparing equal schedules year-to-year.
While trying to knock Tucker, you are actually promoting him.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:51 am to Ocardowin
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"His defenses were still top 15" without considering what he inherited
im in your corner sort of, but understand one of Mels biggest strengths is recruiting, most of the places he was at, he stayed only 2 or 3 years and perhaps, maybe, possibility he recruited better players than he inherited and left the new guy with better players.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:55 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I'm not a fan of Tucker, but the fact that you think taking over a No.2 defense at Georgia, and leaving with it No.8 (approx 1.5 ppg difference) is moronic. Even at Georgia, the difference is 4 and 11 is less than two points, and you aren't comparing equal schedules year-to-year. While trying to knock Tucker, you are actually promoting him.
At a certain point, talent can carry. It would be incredibly hard even for someone here to tank Georgia's defense too far.
As for schedules, SP+ is opponent adjusted.
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im in your corner sort of, but understand one of Mels biggest strengths is recruiting, most of the places he was at, he stayed only 2 or 3 years and perhaps, maybe, possibility he recruited better players than he inherited and left the new guy with better players.
To be fair, part of the reason he hasn't stayed some places too long is because he's been fired several times.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:58 am to Ocardowin
Steve Ensminger dropped nearly 500 yards and 36 points (should’ve been more) on that ‘18 UGA defense aka Burrow’s coming out party. TYFYS Mel
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:59 am to Ocardowin
He gets too much credit working under other good defensive minds.
I believe Georgia's defense is Kirby's.
I believe Georgia's defense is Kirby's.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:01 am to Ocardowin
I hope Woodward doesn't make the mistake of hiring him.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:03 am to Ocardowin
Well, for one thing, we wouldn't be hiring him as a DC.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:04 am to Jebadeb
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Well, for one thing, we wouldn't be hiring him as a DC.
True, but when his expertise is one side of the ball, you'd like him to be good at it. That's why people want Kiffin isn't it? We aren't hiring him to be OC, but he knows offense.
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