re: The civil suits on the Baldwin shooting are going to be EPIC!

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Guns are not that fricking complicated. It’s infuriating for someone to say “he didn’t know”.

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People believe what the want.

There was absolutely no way this happened without major negligence.

First of all, was actually pointing the gun AT the victim. Then, an actual live round.

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It's literally not their jobs and you don't want non-experts to be making judgment calls that the experts are paid for. Also you're creating utter and absolute chaos by imposing this duty on any random person on set, which increases the likelihood of mishandling and miscommunication, which severely increases the chance of an issue.

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Dude, this is absurd.

Let’s say you have an action movie scene with 10 ‘live’ guns.

I get it, you have one armorer that Preps and checks them all.

But handing out 10 weapons without every end user checking them personally is laughable. It’s fricking laughable man.

Let’s do this, change it to a real world swat or specials forces mission: you have one armorer and he hands out everyone their guns. They all go into combat without ever personally checking them.

Lulz

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A weapons check takes 10 seconds at most, 1 or 3 seconds is possible.

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You think an actor who checks the gun is gonna know if the rounds are blank or hot?

It’s not the actors job dude. It’s the armorers job. Get over it.

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Let’s say you have an action movie scene with 10 ‘live’ guns.

I get it, you have one armorer that Preps and checks them all.

But handing out 10 weapons without every end user checking them personally is laughable. It’s fricking laughable man.

Let’s do this, change it to a real world swat or specials forces mission: you have one armorer and he hands out everyone their guns. They all go into combat without ever personally checking them.

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these are not remotely comparable situations.

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You think an actor who checks the gun is gonna know if the rounds are blank or hot?

It’s not the actors job dude. It’s the armorers job. Get over it.

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Like I said, if it’s a firearm capable of shooting live rounds then yes. I think that should be a requirement.

Or else hollywood can make fake guns that look real.

Why is that a difficult concept?

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Let’s do this, change it to a real world swat or specials forces mission

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Lmao

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Like I said, if it’s a firearm capable of shooting live rounds then yes. I think that should be a requirement.

Or else hollywood can make fake guns that look real.

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Your opinion means absolutely nothing

You people are letting your hatred for Baldwin cloud your judgement. He’s not getting in any trouble for this

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I don’t think it’s absurd to expect them to check it themselves before shooting it at a human.

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In every other situation in life, this would happen.

Not only that, he wasn't supposed to actually point the gun directly at anyone.

Here is the literal standard of the actor's union and guns:

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Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside...All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.

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You don't want actors making these judgment calls. Most have no idea what they'd be doing or what to look for. You don't want to impose responsibility (or potential civil liability) on these participants. The production may get in trouble for the AD handing out the guns, now that I look at it. From what I'm reading, the armorer is supposed to directly hand out guns (again, eliminating a link in the chain that can make a mistake).

Article from 2017

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Safety on set is the responsibility of the producer, the director and the first assistant director (First AD). The First AD is the producer’s voice on set: responsible for on set safety calls with input from the safety supervisor and armourer. He or she will have been briefed by the producer, who provides a risk assessment and an industry standard safety report.

The armourer is responsible for inducting anyone handling the firearm on set and safely keeping the weapons. Police and neighbors should be notified by the production office of the presence of firearms and intended blank firing to avoid distress and false alarm calls.

Each day, the First AD and the armourer should discuss the proposed schedule of use and the safe storage of the firearms between use. The First AD should be satisfied that the guns brought to set are safe and unloaded and that no live ammunition is on set.

The First AD must, if it hasn’t been possible in rehearsal, arrange for all cast who are scheduled to be handling the firearms on the day to be inducted in the safe handling of the firearm that they will be using.

The armourer (who holds the guns) will then be on standby to issue firearms as required by the script. This is where it all gets a little Full Metal Jacket.

Each time a gun is handed to a performer, the armourer must open the weapon’s breach and present it to the performer with verbal confirmation such as, “The weapon is clear”.

When the performer is satisfied that the gun is not loaded they should audibly confirm “Clear”.

When it is returned to the armourer following the take, the same clear verbal confirmation is required.

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So it seems that the AD taking the gun is a perfect example of what I am talking about (in adding steps that increase the chances of error).