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re: LA Higher Ed board troubled by number of TOPS recipients from millionaire households

Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:23 pm to
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A) I’m quite surprised there are that many students going to LA colleges with household incomes of $1MM or more.


Net worth, or annual income, there are plenty of households that have a net worth of over 1 million that never had a income over $100k
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
104077 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

quote:
A) I’m quite surprised there are that many students going to LA colleges with household incomes of $1MM or more.


Net worth, or annual income, there are plenty of households that have a net worth of over 1 million that never had a income over $100k


Who knows, but the quoted article specifically says "income."

Thing is, that's sort of surprisingly high if "income," but it's shockingly low if "net worth." So, I'll go with the guy who says it's likely bullshite pulled out of someone's arse.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
98958 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:32 pm to
When they say “income”, are they including people who are sole proprietors or in a partnership to where all the money is considered personally earned even if it goes back into a business?


If I own a convenience store which has revenue of X amount and it is a sole proprietorship, would I be considered making X or making X minus the costs of business such as inventory and operating costs?
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
47729 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:40 pm to
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There is a TOPS Honors award that gives some extra money above tuition, requires a 27 or higher and a 3.5.


If the student attended a private high school or was homeschooled, the ACT score has to be a point or two higher depending on the award.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
36486 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:45 pm to
$1million in assets is not the same as $!million in income.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:53 pm to
This country is going to shite a lot quicker than we think.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
49422 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 3:57 pm to
What parents make shouldn’t matter when it comes to TOPS. It is based on the kids merit. If they want to have a smaller number receive then make the requirements higher than just a c student.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
49422 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:01 pm to
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If the student attended a private high school or was homeschooled, the ACT score has to be a point or two higher depending on the award.
yep my kid had to have a 28 to get the top award and she went to private. Took her three times to finally get above a 28. And she graduated with a 4.0 and didn’t get anything but tops. LSU does not give away money
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
11728 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:03 pm to
Can’t believe Temple is on the Board. How about we do a little investigating into his businesses and all the state contracts.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
98958 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:06 pm to
This is Collis III.

Collis Jr is the one who has contracts everywhere.


There should still be an investigation of any businesses Collis Jr has that Collis III has influence over with regards to legislation but he isn’t directly benefitting.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
47729 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:08 pm to
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yep my kid had to have a 28 to get the top award and she went to private. Took her three times to finally get above a 28. And she graduated with a 4.0 and didn’t get anything but tops. LSU does not give away money


Yep - same here - we homeschool so i told her she needed at least a 22 for the lowest award

Do they not do ACT prep at her school?
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
11728 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:09 pm to
Collins Jr. is on the LSU Board…the Temple’s got the boards wrapped up.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22976 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:10 pm to
They all work together. Search Harmony Center, Inc. and the houses that entity owns. Then go look how blighted their properties are. Rat infested shitholes where vagrants, pimps and heroin addicts live.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2858 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:13 pm to
Millionaires don't stay millionaires by paying exorbitant costs for college.

But seriously, I thought TOPS was not means tested or income based.

If the point is to keep them in Louisiana, then you have more of a chance at keeping someone with resources and means in Louisiana...right?

I've always heard that the purpose of TOPS was to combat Louisiana's "brain drain." Not help po folks.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7293 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:14 pm to
The students weren’t millionaires but they earned the grades. When I was a student I didn’t qualify for financial aid because my parents made to much money. They paid $0.00 of my college education, I had to work my way through school. Unless parents are required to pay the students tuition, I don’t see how parental income plays into this.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 4:16 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

If I own a convenience store which has revenue of X amount and it is a sole proprietorship, would I be considered making X or making X minus the costs of business such as inventory and operating costs?


Net income, the amount you pay taxes on.
Posted by chef tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2009
694 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:50 pm to
I need to where they got this data from. This sounds impossible.
Posted by damonster
Member since Sep 2010
2358 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:55 pm to
I’m in the fortunate situation of making too much for my kid to qualify for Pell but, not making enough for it to not be a burden. Kid is a junior this year and has received TOPS each semester since his freshman year at LSU. He lives in one of the frat houses but, that’s actually cheaper than the dorm. I’m paying around $8,000 a semester out of pocket plus summer. I could do a whole lot with an extra $20K a year.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22275 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:57 pm to
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If TOPS is supposed to be merit, definitely need to raise the academic requirements. Of course, he then went into the argument about how and why ACT scores should be eliminated.


In the early tops years, if I recall correctly, you had to be like in the top 10% of your graduating class and have like a 25+ ACT. Not impossible by any means, but not nearly as lowered as it is now.

Standards were lowered to the point damn near anyone who puts in even a half assed effort qualifies.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted by toots-N-scoots
Houston
Member since Aug 2012
717 posts
Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:59 pm to
Millionaire households: 87,565
Total households: 1,820,554
Concentration of millionaires: 4.81%
Rank: 47 (-8 from last year)
Median income for all households: $47,905
Median home value: $167,30
Louisiana's 90,000 millionaires, whose income depends on the state's economic staples, are likely to be feeling a pinch.

Tourism is under pressure from the coronavirus lockdown, while the petroleum industry has been hit by the crash in oil prices. Shipping and agriculture, the state's other major industries, aren't immune to changes in global demand either.

More happily for everyone, folks who call the Pelican State home enjoy a cost of living that's 10.9% below the national average.
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