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re: Dune answered an age old question for me tonight

Posted on 10/22/21 at 8:05 am to
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 8:05 am to
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House Atriedes is one of the most popular and one of the better armies. The emperor by far has the biggest and best army.


To add to that, the emperor is afraid the Atriedes army rivals the Sardaukar
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:10 am to
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I've always wondered what it must have felt like for people to see Star Wars for the first time, or the Fellowship of the Ring, not knowing they were about to begin one of the greatest film trilogies of all time.


I’m not going to read any further into this thread until Tuesday or Wednesday when I see it (busy with some things this weekend), but I’ll never forget watching Fellowship for the first time in theaters. I had read the Hobbit before but not Lord of the Rings, so I knew who Bilbo, Gandalf, and Gollum were and knew about the Ring of Invisibility. I had no idea Lord of the Rings was a trilogy (and it technically isn’t) and thought it was simply the sequel to The Hobbit. It blew my mind. I thought Mount Doom was across the Anduin and the movie would end there, and then when Frodo and Sam come over the ridge, see Mordor in the distance, I’m dumbfounded, and then the movie just ends… I was pissed for half a second before realizing this was a trilogy and there was much more to come. Read the entire Lord of the Rings before New Years that year. It was awesome.
Posted by SuddenJerk
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:11 am to
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Yeah I think it was a misstep to not re-create the scene from the first movie when the guild navigators came to meet with the Emperor. Scene actually shed light on why House Atreides was such a threat and why Paul is the threat he is. But I really enjoyed the movie.

I agree with this. I’m rewatching the original movie and it answers a lot of questions in the first 10 minutes of the movie.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:13 am to
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I doubt they green light the sequels.
And I loved this new Dune


When you have assholes jmarto1 just ripping off the movie online, I don’t want to hear people bitching that we don’t get Dune 2 anymore than people bitching about the lack of Blade Runner 3 when they stayed at home when it was in the theater.
Posted by thrillachinchilla
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:28 am to
Dune really needs a large scale TV project to really do it justice. Scifi did a decent low production budget version to the end of Children.

I'd like to see just a complete vision of Dune to God Emperor and just stop there one day.
Posted by Tacktheritrix
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:29 am to
Movie was amazing. I know I talked a lot of shite about watching it at home but I can see the appeal of wanting to see it in theaters.

With that being said, I would suggest this movie to anyone. I never read the books but I plan to know.
Posted by thrillachinchilla
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:36 am to
In for a treat but only read the original 6 novels
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:38 am to
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I’m rewatching the original movie and it answers a lot of questions in the first 10 minutes of the movie.
It answered too many questions. Lynch removed the mystery of the novel. Like starting Psycho with, "This is the story of a man who masquerades as his mother in order to kill people." The true value of the spice is slowly revealed in the novel.
Posted by thrillachinchilla
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 9:53 am to
It's been so long since I read. I thought the book was pretty forthcoming about the value of spice since we're presented with the economics of the empire really quick and Jessica's ritual happens right after they embed with Stilgar's people. And then we completely get the reasons for everything as it turned out so far in Heretics and Chapterhouse.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 10:08 am to
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It's been so long since I read. I thought the book was pretty forthcoming about the value of spice since we're presented with the economics of the empire really quick and Jessica's ritual happens right after they embed with Stilgar's people.

They don't even mention the Guild Navigators until towards the end of the first novel. Jessica's ritual doesn't happen until the end of Book Two (out of the three books in the novel).
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 10:58 am to
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They don't even mention the Guild Navigators until towards the end of the first novel.

bullshite, Paul has a discussion with Thurfir before they leave Caladan and wonders if he will see a navigator, and speculates that spice has mutated them
Secondly when Paul meets the Reverend Mother on Caladan they discuss the the Kwisatz Haderach.
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"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Truthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory — in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past . . . but only feminine avenues." Her voice took on a note of sadness. "Yet, there's a place where no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."
"Your Kwisatz Haderach?"
"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men have tried the drug . . . so many, but none has succeeded."
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."
Posted by thrillachinchilla
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 11:01 am to
Yeah, that's right. I was confusing the spice dreams from the desert exposure to when the event actual happen later.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 11:13 am to
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bullshite, Paul has a discussion with Thurfir before they leave Caladan and wonders if he will see a navigator, and speculates that spice has mutated them
But they do not reveal that they are using the spice to navigate until towards the end of the novel. Paul wonders about the Guildsmen out loud, when we get to the much later reveal where the Emperor notices that a Guildsman's contact lens has moved and reveals the telltale blue eyes, but the secret of the spice isn't revealed until late in the novel.
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"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Truthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory — in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past . . . but only feminine avenues." Her voice took on a note of sadness. "Yet, there's a place where no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."
"Your Kwisatz Haderach?"
"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men have tried the drug . . . so many, but none has succeeded."
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."
Where in there does it say that the spice is used to navigate the cosmos?
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 11:31 am
Posted by thrillachinchilla
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 11:20 am to
It's even more petty than that. Gurney and Duncan had trained only one battalion? size unit to maybe be just a little below House Corrino's Sardaukar.

Speaking of Corrino stuff, do we get a good Fenring or did the cut him out again?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 12:37 pm to
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To add to that, the emperor is afraid the Atriedes army rivals the Sardaukar


That is not true.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:28 pm to
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I doubt they green light the sequels

KY
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 4:30 pm to
The movie was legit awesome
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 10/22/21 at 5:55 pm to
I think they will but I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion. Will the die hards drive the box office numbers enough? If they can’t, will the movie get enough casuals to go see it?


The answer was no for Blade Runner 2049 unfortunately, which kills any chance of continuing that franchise. I’ve always found it strange how Americans more readily accept fantasy than science fiction even though the two have tons of similarities as genres
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