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Study - no relationship between vaccination status of populations and prevalence of COVID
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:19 am
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European Journal of Epidemiology- Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
Again, I am vaccinated. It does offer personal protection against the first infection (natural immunity is stronger after the first infection). But there is no scientific basis for mandating vaccines, even if you allow the government should have that power (they should not).
European Journal of Epidemiology- Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
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At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
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The above findings of no discernable association between COVID-19 cases and levels of fully vaccinated was also observed when we considered a 1-month lag on the levels of fully vaccinated
Again, I am vaccinated. It does offer personal protection against the first infection (natural immunity is stronger after the first infection). But there is no scientific basis for mandating vaccines, even if you allow the government should have that power (they should not).
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:24 am to lagallifrey
The article says there’s no relationship between vaccines status and infection rates.
But their data actually shows the higher the vaccine rate, the higher the infection rate.
Some of these countries aren’t densely populated. You cant rule out the possibility the vaccine accelerated the spread.
But their data actually shows the higher the vaccine rate, the higher the infection rate.
Some of these countries aren’t densely populated. You cant rule out the possibility the vaccine accelerated the spread.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:27 am to BobBoucher
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But their data actually shows the higher the vaccine rate, the higher the infection rate. You could reasonably conclude the vaccine accelerated the spread.
Yes, I didn’t include that because it did not reach statistical significance. But it does raise that question.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:44 am to lagallifrey
It’s amazing how right I’ve been the past two years, I’m a fricking genius
frick BIDEN
frick BIDEN
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:49 am to lagallifrey
Cases don't necessarily mean much. What's the death rate?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:56 am to Auburn1968
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Cases don't necessarily mean much. What's the death rate?
Well they do mean a lot in the context of mandating vaccines. They are being mandated to “end the pandemic”, which they will not do. Anti Vaxxers are being blamed for the surges. This is false. The virus will keep circulating regardless.
But mortality of course matters. It matters to those at moderate to higher risk from the virus because the vaccine can reduce that risk. For those at low risk from the virus, the vaccine does not make sense to them or those around them. They can still get, and spread it, and they’ll be fine.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:57 am to Auburn1968
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Cases don't necessarily mean much. What's the death rate?
Why does that even matter?
Even before vaccines the survival rate was 99%+, and the average age of death was actually higher than the mortality rate for all Americans, across all causes of death.
Plus, the US has never counted deaths in association with a viral infection like they did CoVID. Had we tested every dead body for influenza, and stated that they died with it, flu deaths could have been astronomical in past years.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:00 am to lagallifrey
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For those at low risk from the virus, the vaccine does not make sense to them or those around them. They can still get, and spread it, and they’ll be fine.
Hmm. Are low risk vaccinated people actually more likely to spread it to high risk people than if they weren’t vaccinated, just due to higher likelihood of being an asymptomatic carrier?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:00 am to lagallifrey
So it’s almost like a virus is gonna virus
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:02 am to Earnest_P
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Hmm. Are low risk vaccinated people actually more likely to spread it to high risk people than if they weren’t vaccinated, just due to higher likelihood of being an asymptomatic carrier?
It’s possible, yes, but I have not seen clear evidence for that. But that wouldn’t surprise me.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:04 am to Auburn1968
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Cases don't necessarily mean much. What's the death rate?
We'll never f*cking know. Once they changed the terminology from "died because of Covid" to "died with Covid" they politicized the counting to support their ideology and agenda and made it so we'll never really know the true death rate. We do know that it's A LOT LESS than the propaganda the government-paid/politicized "experts" and news anchors regurgitate.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:19 am to lagallifrey
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It does offer personal protection against the first infection
The chance of an uncompromised immune system getting killed by it is 1 in 27,000...the chance of a compromised immune system getting killed by it is 1 in 1,650.
This is all by last year's numbers in totality.
The efficacy rate of the vaccine is less than 40% and dropping.
The chance of getting insta-killed by the vaccine itself is 1 in 3500. (Based on the increased death rate from the German study)
The chance of dying if you are compromised with the help of the vaccine efficacy rate becomes 1 in 2400. 1 in 38000 if you're healthy.
Basically you are taking a .03% chance of instant death after every shot to get a potential 40% risk aversion boost from the virus.
Or you could get the virus, risking a 1 in 27k chance of death and get an autoimmune boost that protects at a rate 10 times better without additional risk.
Feels like Vegas.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:21 am to lagallifrey
But that's Europe.
Over here, transmission is occurring at school, restaurants (only while standing), and at any collection of red voters.
Over here, transmission is occurring at school, restaurants (only while standing), and at any collection of red voters.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:37 am to IceTiger
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The chance of getting insta-killed by the vaccine itself is 1 in 3500. (Based on the increased death rate from the German study)
What? Link
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:46 pm to Earnest_P
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What? Link
German study
Also mentioned is the Pfizer double blind where 6 people of 20,000 died from the injection.
It's more fatal than advertised...like the lottery, you instantly enter the prize pool when you buy a ticket.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:59 pm to IceTiger
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German study Also mentioned is the Pfizer double blind where 6 people of 20,000 died from the injection. It's more fatal than advertised...like the lottery, you instantly enter the prize pool when you buy a ticket.
There is no study in that link. There is an article discussing a pathologist without any data.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:03 pm to lagallifrey
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Again, I am vaccinated. It does offer personal protection against the first infection (natural immunity is stronger after the first infection). But there is no scientific basis for mandating vaccines, even if you allow the government should have that power (they should not).
The authoritarians are merely conducting a psyop using Covid19 to get a feel of how controllable society currently is.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:21 pm to lagallifrey
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There is no study in that link
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has carried out over forty autopsies on people who had died within two weeks of their vaccination
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:26 pm to IceTiger
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has carried out over forty autopsies on people who had died within two weeks of their vaccination
Yes, I saw that statement. That is not a study. I’d be interested to see one if he put one together, but until then it’s just an interesting statement.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 1:28 pm to lagallifrey
I think this study should start drawing this debate to a close.
- Anti-maskers ended up being correct
- Anti-vaxxers are looking more correct every day as
more data comes out
- Anti-maskers ended up being correct
- Anti-vaxxers are looking more correct every day as
more data comes out
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