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Study: vaxx'd more likely to be infected by variants than unvaxxed.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:35 am
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What this study finds is exactly what vaccine developer Geert Vanden Bossche (Belgium) has been predicting. The predominance of antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area, California.
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Dr. Vanden Bossche has been using Israeli data and showing how the widespread vaccination rates were creating pressure on the virus to mutate into variants with higher levels of contagion. The unvaccinated group has been keeping the pressure down by defeating the virus and carrying natural immunity. However, as the unvaccinated population is increasingly made smaller, the pressure on the virus to mutate increases. Subsequently, these mutations stay at higher or more effective levels of infection.
Israel is already on its second round of booster shots.
The long term impacts of antibody dependency are unknown. Some doctors and scientists are already worried that normal cancer fighting antibodies will become dormant and we could see an explosion of unusual cancer clusters due to antibody suppression caused by the COVID vaccines.
Remember, no one knows exactly what this targeted vaccine will do to the overall human immune system as it responds to other viruses or infections. The vaccinated population are the human trial subjects, and the unvaccinated population are the control group.
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Fully vaccinated were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization (L452R, L452Q, E484K, and/or F490S) (78% versus 48%, p = 1.96e-08), but not by those associated with increased infectivity (L452R and/or N501Y) (85% versus 77%, p = 0.092). Differences in viral loads were non-significant between unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons overall (p = 0.99) and according to lineage (p = 0.09 – 0.78). Viral loads were significantly higher in symptomatic as compared to asymptomatic vaccine breakthrough cases (p < 0.0001), and symptomatic vaccine breakthrough infections had similar viral loads to unvaccinated infections (p = 0.64).
Study: Predominance of antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area, California
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:37 am to GumboPot
Well, I'll be! The truth is starting to surface!
And to add more truth....the reason cases and deaths are plummeting, is because more people have natural immunity!
And the vaccines are getting more people sick, adding to the natuarl immunity base.
So, the vaccine is working, in reverse. LOL
And to add more truth....the reason cases and deaths are plummeting, is because more people have natural immunity!
And the vaccines are getting more people sick, adding to the natuarl immunity base.
So, the vaccine is working, in reverse. LOL
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 8:44 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:38 am to oldskule
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Well, I'll be! They finally report the truth!
"They" are not the MSM. This is an alternative media site reporting the study. The MSM won't touch this study with a 10 foot pole.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:40 am to GumboPot
Imagine taking the experimental vaccine because you were scared of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate 
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
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vaxx'd more likely to be infected by variants than unvaxxed.
That isn't what the study said.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:44 am to Tommy Noble
Experimental gene therapy
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:44 am to Fun Bunch
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vaxx'd more likely to be infected by variants than unvaxxed.
That isn't what the study said.
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Fully vaccinated were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:46 am to GumboPot
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These findings suggest that vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially caused by circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants, and that symptomatic breakthrough infections may potentially transmit COVID-19 as efficiently as unvaccinated infections, regardless of the infecting lineage.
This stuff isn't really my wheelhouse, but are they saying that the vaccinated breakthrough cases are caused by mutations in the vaccinated? So when a vaccinated person gets sicks, its likely from a vaccinated person's mutation?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:57 am to Mac Power
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This stuff isn't really my wheelhouse, but are they saying that the vaccinated breakthrough cases are caused by mutations in the vaccinated? So when a vaccinated person gets sicks, its likely from a vaccinated person's mutation?
Watch this video starting at 22:00 through 32:00 and you'll get your answers: LINK
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:59 am to GumboPot
My internal med guy told me this over a year ago. I hope his long term fear doesn't play out......
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:02 am to GumboPot
Don’t be posting this misinformation - we have to follow the science. So that means blocking any articles that don’t agree with our position.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:05 am to Aubie Spr96
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My internal med guy told me this over a year ago. I hope his long term fear doesn't play out......
Yeah, a lot of your vaccinologist were warring that this would happen due to the way the vaccine was being rolled out.
The good news for the pharmaceutical companies the vaccine and the way it's has been rolled out is causing variants that only boosters can protect you from which will cause more variants that additional boosters will be required to protect you from.
Or you can just catch COVID, recover and be over with it.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:05 am to GumboPot
Read the whole thing again and read the OP's title. It is misleading at very best and not accurate.
There's cause for concern here but not what the OP is trying to portray.
First of all, this study was done in SFBay, one of the highest vaccinated areas in the country and breakthrough cases only accounted for 9% of this studies cases. 91% of the cases were NOT vaccinated.
So not only do we have only 125 cases in the study, but it shows that vaccinations are working for the most part in largely preventing infection.
Second, the study does not say that the vaccinated are more likely to be infected by "variants" than the unvaxxed. The implication that the OP is trying to portray is that the vaccinated are getting infected by all variants at a higher rate than the unvaccinated which is objectively false.
The study suggested that vaccinated, when there was a breakthrough case, were more likely to be infected by very specific variants: those that mutated to antibody immunization. Variants that mutated to become more infectious were much more likely to infect the unvaccinated than vaccinated.
We are also dealing with an incredibly low sample size here.
There's cause for future studies and some level of concern but not what the OP is trying to portray. Or what you obviously desperately want for some bizarre reason.
There's cause for concern here but not what the OP is trying to portray.
First of all, this study was done in SFBay, one of the highest vaccinated areas in the country and breakthrough cases only accounted for 9% of this studies cases. 91% of the cases were NOT vaccinated.
So not only do we have only 125 cases in the study, but it shows that vaccinations are working for the most part in largely preventing infection.
Second, the study does not say that the vaccinated are more likely to be infected by "variants" than the unvaxxed. The implication that the OP is trying to portray is that the vaccinated are getting infected by all variants at a higher rate than the unvaccinated which is objectively false.
The study suggested that vaccinated, when there was a breakthrough case, were more likely to be infected by very specific variants: those that mutated to antibody immunization. Variants that mutated to become more infectious were much more likely to infect the unvaccinated than vaccinated.
We are also dealing with an incredibly low sample size here.
There's cause for future studies and some level of concern but not what the OP is trying to portray. Or what you obviously desperately want for some bizarre reason.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:10 am to Tommy Noble
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Imagine taking the experimental vaccine because you were scared of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate
If I take it it will be because I can’t afford to lose my job.
And I’ll resent it for the rest of my life, however long that is.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:24 am to Fun Bunch
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There's cause for future studies and some level of concern but not what the OP is trying to portray. Or what you obviously desperately want for some bizarre reason
The cause for concern is that we are starting to require 12 yr olds who are at NO RISK in any kind of way (at least Chicken Pox was miserable to have even it wasn’t very dangerous) to be vaccinated. We will SOON be requiring 5 yrs to be vaccinated who are at NO RISK.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:27 am to STEVED00
Yeah I agree with that. Kids don't NEED to be vaccinated.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:29 am to GumboPot
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Yeah, a lot of your vaccinologist were warring that this would happen due to the way the vaccine was being rolled out.
ADE was my doc's worst fear. He said that when the boosters started rolling out was the time to be concerned.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:36 am to Fun Bunch
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Fully vaccinated were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization (L452R, L452Q, E484K, and/or F490S) (78% versus 48%, p = 1.96e-08), but not by those associated with increased infectivity (L452R and/or N501Y) (85% versus 77%, p = 0.092
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The study suggested that vaccinated, when there was a breakthrough case, were more likely to be infected by very specific variants: those that mutated to antibody immunization. Variants that mutated to become more infectious were much more likely to infect the unvaccinated than vaccinated.
The numbers don’t correlate with your usage of “more likely” versus “much more likely”.
Also, in general, we are talking about a coronavirus where our best hope is that it becomes endemic. Wouldn’t we be more worried about mutations that avoid antibodies than mutations that are more infectious?
More people getting and recovering from it is a good thing, if it’s never going away entirely.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:40 am to Earnest_P
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More people getting and recovering from it is a good thing, if it’s never going away entirely.
More people not getting and never getting it because the vaccinations work would be the best thing.
You really want more people to get a diseases specifically created in a Chinese lab? That doesn't make any sense.
And yes, we should be much more worried about antibody resistant mutations, but this was also an incredibly small sample size and also backed up the fact that the vaccinations largely work in preventing infection.
I would like to see a study like this with 100x the participants.
Also I'll point out that this study was done largely pre-Delta, and some of it done before Vaccinations were prevalent.
I'd like to see a large scale study done post-delta and with so many vaccinated. That would be more relavent than this one and may show a more grim situation (or not).
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
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More people not getting and never getting it because the vaccinations work would be the best thing.
Too bad this is a fantasy. Clearly the vaccines don’t totally prevent infection or the spread, just as no vaccine has ever completely stopped the spread or infection of a respiratory virus.
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