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An idea to start Fixing CFB's opt out issue
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:51 pm
Why doesnt the NFL form a real minor league for kids to go straight out of HS rather than continuing to use CFB as one for free? CFB being used as an NFL farm system forcing kids who have no interest to play is ruining the sport. Simple...just make it like baseball. The kids playing CBB want to be there and dont "opt out" at close to the ridiculous rate as football. Obviously the risk of injury in the 2 sports is different but the commitment of the kids clearly is very different as well. Any talk of this ruining CFB by diluting talent need only look at the popularity of college baseball....its never been higher.
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:58 pm to lsudocts
It’s an attitude and culture issue in CFB, not a “kids who are too talented going to college” issue. If you let the top kids go to a minor league system, the best players left in college would still opt out because they’d think they were too good to waste their energy playing. It’s not fixable
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:00 pm to lsudocts
That wouldn't fix anything. Right now it's a culture problem and possibly a major culture problem at LSU. Everything has fallen to pieces after our NC run.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:03 pm to lsudocts
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Why doesnt the NFL form a real minor league for kids to go straight out of HS rather than continuing to use CFB as one for free?
There's your answer.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:05 pm to lsudocts
The only thing I can think that would help is if people in the media stop casting these kids as the next great nfl superstar after one season all over their platforms. While it may be true, all it’s doing is telling these kids they’re already good enough to be at the next level and don’t need to work as hard anymore. Football is a team sport and you can’t have that type of attitude.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:13 pm to lsudocts
I have an idea to fix it: WIN.
If you win, kids don’t opt out. Do Bama or Clemson players opt out? No. Because they are winning and have a chance at the playoffs every year.
If you win, kids don’t opt out. Do Bama or Clemson players opt out? No. Because they are winning and have a chance at the playoffs every year.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:15 pm to lsudocts
Just put in their NIL contracts that the money must be paid back with interest if they voluntarily don't complete the season including bowl game.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:15 pm to lsudocts
What opt out issue? Opt outs were only permitted last year due to the Covid pandemic.
Today, when a student athlete opts out, he is in effect violating his commitment to play sports in return for a free education and everything else that goes with that.
Thus, if someone violates his commitment by opting out, toss he or she off campus period. As, in effect, he or she is a dropout.
Today, when a student athlete opts out, he is in effect violating his commitment to play sports in return for a free education and everything else that goes with that.
Thus, if someone violates his commitment by opting out, toss he or she off campus period. As, in effect, he or she is a dropout.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:15 pm to lsudocts
People thought NIL and playoff expansion might help some, but the toothpaste is out of the tube.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Sorta speaks volumes at how badly O has held the glue together. Been a ton of opt outs since our NC and I'm willing to bet it's not done yet. Relative to our talent level, this should not be happening because we should be winning. Again, falls on coaching and especially O is accountable for all these problems. Sorry but O is not the answer I would hope everyone sees that now. He's at best a band aid and only as good as the coaches around him. I think he struck out big time on his 2 coordinator hires which are going to ultimately get him axed.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:18 pm to lsudocts
Who opted out?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:20 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
LSU won the National Championship in 2019. In 2020 we had guys opting out before the first snap. So your exhortation to "win" simply is not a viable answer. If you win the national championship one year and by the beginning of the next you are getting opt outs....you have bigger problems and I am not convinced it sits primarily on the head coach
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:22 pm to lsudocts
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Why doesnt the NFL form a real minor league for kids to go straight out of HS rather than continuing to use CFB as one for free?
This would change absolutey nothing unless there is literally no college players who would be high NFL draft players.
Assuming the NFL cared about keeping the strength of college football, the best thing it could do is make the compensation for first round draft picks much higher than 2nd round...and 2nd round to 3rd round...etc.
That way, there would be incentive for players to stay and improve their draft stock with the small exception of the elite guaranteed top players.
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Simple...just make it like baseball. The kids playing CBB want to be there and dont "opt out" at close to the ridiculous rate as football.
That's because there isn't much incentive (any) to opting out in baseball. It has nothing to do with there being a minor league.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:29 pm to KiwiHead
Definitely not all on coaching but coaching is certainly a major part of it. You need a guy who can come in who the players will respect playing for. I think that's part of the issue. O had his on off the field issues and obviously has let the program attitude stagnate to what it is now. I know everyone hates this example but why does Bama have so much success? Their players would fall on a sword for Saban. When a program's culture declines, there's many reasons for it and part of the problem definitely lies on coaching for letting it get out of control. Recognizing and trying to fix it is only the start which clearly our coaching staff hasn't done.
I just don't get that vibe for O be it how players are opting out or even how he gets punked in recruiting at times. At the very least you have to question the recruiting aspect on the coaching end which character plays into this so there's no way you can deflect the blame from the coaching. They're certainly part of the problem even if they're not the entire problem because it does not plague every program.
I just don't get that vibe for O be it how players are opting out or even how he gets punked in recruiting at times. At the very least you have to question the recruiting aspect on the coaching end which character plays into this so there's no way you can deflect the blame from the coaching. They're certainly part of the problem even if they're not the entire problem because it does not plague every program.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:39 pm to lsudocts
Can someone give me a list of LSU players who have opted out to enter the draft? It sounds like this is a real problem for LSU this year.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:40 pm to deuce985
Kids should be allowed to go pro out of HS if they’re good enough.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:43 pm to Purple Tiger King
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What opt out issue?
In the near future, the player list of opt-outs will be very similar to the player list of draft entrants. If you don't see the trend towards that, I'd say you are extremely naive or in denial.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:44 pm to moneyg
“That's because there isn't much incentive (any) to opting out in baseball. It has nothing to do with there being a minor league. “
The incentive is they dont have to play and risk injury or poor play hurting their prospect in the draft. Pretty much the same.
The incentive is they dont have to play and risk injury or poor play hurting their prospect in the draft. Pretty much the same.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:45 pm to deuce985
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That wouldn't fix anything. Right now it's a culture problem and possibly a major culture problem at LSU. Everything has fallen to pieces after our NC run.
It will happen at other universities too. Honestly, kids wanna win a NC, but only a handful of teams will be in obvious contention for one, and for a top 10 pick, nothing in college compares guaranteeing a fat check from the NFL. If they have nothing to play for, they’ll sit out. And if we have nothing to play for, it won’t matter for LSU if they sit out.
You have to realize, though, that we’re talking about only the Stingley’s and the Chase’s that will be able to do this. Someone like Jefferson likely wouldn’t have been able to do this. I remember thinking he would be a late 1st early 2nd round, then he ran a 4.4.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:46 pm to moneyg
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In the near future, the player list of opt-outs will be very similar to the player list of draft entrants.
Very very few players can sit out a year and not hurt their draft status. 95% of juniors and seniors are playing to increase their status and thus and potential income.
When it comes bowl time more players will shut it down to prep for the draft.
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