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re: Remember when Les was fired after 9-3 season and beating future SB champ Pat Mahomes?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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Yea I don’t get the crying from the Leslie lovers.
Bingo. None of this makes Les any better. Both coaches just cannot handle success.
O is gone. The UCLA game was a referendum following last season.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:34 am to St_Jerome
Les was fired because he flat out refused to adapt his offensive approach to the extent necessary to allow LSU to compete for national championships...not because he "wasn't "winning. He just wasn't winning at a high enough level.
While things are frustrating now, within three years of Les's firing Orgeron DID accomplish the objective which was the basis for firing Miles. He elevated the offense to the degree necessary to win a national championship. LSU simply wasn't going to get there without moving on from Les. So in that respect, making the coaching change was a smart move.
Thus, the question now is not whether or not it was wise to move on from Les? Cleary it was. It's whether or not the program should move on from O?
The UCLA game presented a lot of ominous signs similar to the Wisconsin game in 2016. Namely, both HCs were coming off a disappointing seasons (remember, Les was carried off the field in his "final game at LSU" at the end of 2015) with a plethora of offseason promises to correct the issues that cause the prior disappointments...only to lose a game due to the EXACT same issues that plagued them the year before.
O is going to get more than one more loss to "right the ship" unlike Miles in 2016. But he has used up all of his 2019 goodwill. He's very much coaching for his job now more than ever
While things are frustrating now, within three years of Les's firing Orgeron DID accomplish the objective which was the basis for firing Miles. He elevated the offense to the degree necessary to win a national championship. LSU simply wasn't going to get there without moving on from Les. So in that respect, making the coaching change was a smart move.
Thus, the question now is not whether or not it was wise to move on from Les? Cleary it was. It's whether or not the program should move on from O?
The UCLA game presented a lot of ominous signs similar to the Wisconsin game in 2016. Namely, both HCs were coming off a disappointing seasons (remember, Les was carried off the field in his "final game at LSU" at the end of 2015) with a plethora of offseason promises to correct the issues that cause the prior disappointments...only to lose a game due to the EXACT same issues that plagued them the year before.
O is going to get more than one more loss to "right the ship" unlike Miles in 2016. But he has used up all of his 2019 goodwill. He's very much coaching for his job now more than ever
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:37 am to KiwiHead
The year after the TTU win we lost to Wisconsin with an absolute shite offensive scheme. You’re getting your years mixed up
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:38 am to Alt26
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not because he "wasn't "winning. He just wasn't winning at a high enough level.
Hmm I sure could take some of that winning right now.. I don’t care about the level.
I actually do agree with the a lot of the points you made
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
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TTU loss
We didn’t lose to Texas Tech.. you’re getting your coaches mixed up.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:40 am to St_Jerome
People like you are why we get stuck with mediocre coaches. We ave the talent, resources, and passion to win big. Accepting mediocre coaching like you want to do with Les will never allow us to win more than 10 games and for the most part win 8-9 a year.
Congrats. You want us to be Kentucky
Congrats. You want us to be Kentucky
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:41 am to St_Jerome
No I simply typed out loss instead of win in anticipation of discussing the Wisconsin loss.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
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win more than 10 games and for the most part win 8-9 a year.
What a pipe dream.. 5-5 and looking like more of the same this year.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:47 am to St_Jerome
I’m not an O apologist. I don’t know what you’re getting at other then saying we shouldn’t have fired miles, which is an absolutely terrible take.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:06 pm to REG861
You keep thinking you are Alabama despite not having anywhere near the alumni support or booster support. I can remember after the Cotton Bowl in 2003 people were in suicide mode over Saban and people were saying that he gets so much credit for doing nothing all that great.
Not saying O or Les was an improvement, but Les was vastly superior to O as a head coach. He had stable staffs that understood his philosophy on both sides of the ball . However, I do take issue about the QB situation. When Mett was around in 2012 -2013 he put up really good numbers and has 2 1000 yard receivers. He whiffed with Gunner Kiel despite Kiel being a top rated QB out of high school and Harris who was also highly rated....started Harris until it was apparent that Harris was bad and not even the ACC competition could make him look good.
Not saying Les was some sort of offensive mastermind, but he would have more than competent defenses and his running backs could run and his O lines blew teams off the ball even with 7 or 8 in the box
Not saying O or Les was an improvement, but Les was vastly superior to O as a head coach. He had stable staffs that understood his philosophy on both sides of the ball . However, I do take issue about the QB situation. When Mett was around in 2012 -2013 he put up really good numbers and has 2 1000 yard receivers. He whiffed with Gunner Kiel despite Kiel being a top rated QB out of high school and Harris who was also highly rated....started Harris until it was apparent that Harris was bad and not even the ACC competition could make him look good.
Not saying Les was some sort of offensive mastermind, but he would have more than competent defenses and his running backs could run and his O lines blew teams off the ball even with 7 or 8 in the box
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:19 pm to St_Jerome
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St_Jerome
You are the epitome of a dumb rantard. I bet you were one of the loudest squawkers at the time calling for Les' head. Now the previously fired coach had everything figured out? GTFO.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:31 pm to KiwiHead
People wanting O fired does not make Les a good coach. The game passes him by when he refused to adapt. Even a little.
Met put up decent numbers (3,000 yards passing) because he had two legit pro bowl WR’s in Landry and OBJ, had a 1,000 yards rusher because he had hill who was an NFL back and NFL caliber offensive guards all up and down the line.
Who was the third receiver on that team and how many catches did he have? That system won’t work with anything less than pro bowl WR’s, nfl running backs, and nfl Olinemen while having a 5th year qb that only took like 6 hours.
It’s not sustainable.
Met put up decent numbers (3,000 yards passing) because he had two legit pro bowl WR’s in Landry and OBJ, had a 1,000 yards rusher because he had hill who was an NFL back and NFL caliber offensive guards all up and down the line.
Who was the third receiver on that team and how many catches did he have? That system won’t work with anything less than pro bowl WR’s, nfl running backs, and nfl Olinemen while having a 5th year qb that only took like 6 hours.
It’s not sustainable.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:41 pm to the4thgen
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You are the epitome of a dumb rantard. I bet you were one of the loudest squawkers at the time calling for Les' head. Now the previously fired coach had everything figured out? GTFO.
Actually at the time I was pretty luke warm on firing Les.. for the most part agreed it was time for him to go. I also understood that wins were hard to come by and 10 wins a year wasn’t too shabby. I also liked the way his team played hard, hit hard and had pride. Now we don’t do any of those things.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:43 pm to St_Jerome
There is a 0% chance we win a Nc between 2016 and 2021 with Les.it wasn’t going to happen.
We won one with O.
That’s an improvement no matter what our record is last year and this year.
We can all agree to dislike O, but Les wasn’t the answer either.
We won one with O.
That’s an improvement no matter what our record is last year and this year.
We can all agree to dislike O, but Les wasn’t the answer either.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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will get the axe if he wins less than 10 this year.
if he goes 9-3 or even 8-4 there is no way he is fired...unless it's for something off the field
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
I’d like to thank these two gentlemen for our current predicament
And
And
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:46 pm to Topwater Trout
9-3 might get LSU in a NY6 bowl. So yes I agree 9-3 he stays
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:46 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
9-3 he’s safe
8-4 he’s borderline
7-5 he’s gone.
8-4 he’s borderline
7-5 he’s gone.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:50 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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None of it had to do with losing in embarrassing fashion to Wisconsin
We lost by 2 on the road to a team that finished 11-3.
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And then sure enough the first game the next year, toss dice up the middle and simple, predictable play calls.
Yeah thats not what happened.. go back and look at our play by play... we tried to pass the ball... Harris couldn't get hit the broad side of a barn on throw meant to get him in rhthym( short throws and throws to running back) Harris started 2-10 or something like it. It wasnt until we committed to LF that we started to move the ball.
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