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re: LSU is alienating its alumni, state, and region.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:40 pm to kingbob
Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:40 pm to kingbob
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Saban campaigned for Obama, even spoke about it on ESPN. Dabo has also been outspoken on his political beliefs. Heck, coach O actively campaigned for Governor John Bell Edwards.
I would prefer coaches remain apolitical, as politics are a great way to alienate a percentage of your target audience (the old Michael Jordan adage “Republicans buy shoes too”), but the pearl clutching by players, observers, and fans to a coach saying he likes the president who he recently met with is absolutely insane.
It’s easy to acknowledge that talking politics and praising a polarizing president in 2020 is a risky move that most in his situation would avoid, but it shouldn’t be. Especially since the context of the statement was in relation to Trump talking about social distancing and requirements for schools. Ed O was on there to comment on how the covid protocols were being handled by collegiate sports.
I never heard Saban campaign for Obama. I heard him endorse his childhood friend Joe Manchin the Senator from WV. Dabo is outspoken on lots of things, and I don't care for him at all. This Preacher God is on my Side stuff sickens me, as if God gives a hoot about who wins a football game.
O did campaign for JBE and he should have stayed out of that as well. Not a smart move as that was a very contentious election and JBE's COVID-19 policies have been contentious, with some thinking he is too strict, others of course not strict enough hence Some Local jurisdictions more restrictive than the State.
As for Nick Saban and the 2020 Presidential election, I think He nailed it 100% with this quote. 2 sources on Nick Saban doing what was the 100% correct thing regarding poliitics.
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Now if you have evidence that Saban endorsed Obama, I would like to see it. I don't think he did, I think when Obama was elected in 2008, he did understand the historical aspects of the first person not 100% of European ancestry being elected.
And you are correct, he was there regarding COVID-19 protocols and playing ball, should have never said He Loved Trump and think he is doing a great job.
And I will add 1 more thing to Coach O's FUBAR's. In addition to his getting involved in Politics
1) JBE explicit endorsement
2) Trump in substance endorsement
3) Off the field issues last Spring with young woman
4) Running around campus with no shirt
Now add
5) getting into a screaming match with a UCLA fan and telling him to bring his weak... on with your blue shirt etc.
I was at the 2008 Bama/LSU game, first Saban game and the venom and stuff hurled at Saban were out of this world. He did his talking on the field, never responded to fans and hecklers.
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Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:41 pm to ezride25
You do you dawg. 6-6 is a gift this year.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:45 pm to JKChesterton
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was at the 2008 Bama/LSU game, first Saban game and the venom and stuff hurled at Saban were out of this world.
Well yeah, he was LSU’s coach, left for the NFL, and then quickly came back to coach LSU’s biggest rival. You think Florida fans would have been happy is Spurrier had returned to college football 2 years after leaving to be the coach of Georgia and then started beating the tar out of them regularly?
Literally every fanbase would have reacted the same way LSU did to Saban going to Bama. The wound was still extremely fresh in 2008.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:46 pm to ezride25
They will NOT get one penny from me any longer!
Posted on 9/5/21 at 3:46 pm to Slippy
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The stupidity level of the average LSU fan is remarkab
This
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:07 pm to kingbob
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Well yeah, he was LSU’s coach, left for the NFL, and then quickly came back to coach LSU’s biggest rival. You think Florida fans would have been happy is Spurrier had returned to college football 2 years after leaving to be the coach of Georgia and then started beating the tar out of them regularly?
Literally every fanbase would have reacted the same way LSU did to Saban going to Bama. The wound was still extremely fresh in 2
Do you remember Saban getting into shouting matches with LSU Hecklers like O did last night with a UCLA fan.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:12 pm to kingbob
If that is true, we got bigger problems than an incompetent shrimp boat captain and Verge Ausberry.
Wow.
Wow.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:15 pm to JKChesterton
Look it’s obvious LSU has changed AND NOT FOR THE BETTER. We are rudderless, mired in the incompetence which is liberalism and I’m mad at myself and our fellow alumni for allowing it to happen. We have to stand up and fight back. I don’t know how else to do this except to withhold donations and stop in person support at athletic events. Does anybody have any suggestions as I’m all in if someone out there knows what else we can do.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:24 pm to JKChesterton
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Do you remember Saban getting into shouting matches with LSU Hecklers like O did last night with a UCLA fan
No, and what O did was completely classless.
However, I do remember heckling Coach Cal until he snapped during the Ice Dome game
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:29 pm to dovehunter
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Look it’s obvious LSU has changed AND NOT FOR THE BETTER. We are rudderless, mired in the incompetence which is liberalism and I’m mad at myself and our fellow alumni for allowing it to happen. We have to stand up and fight back. I don’t know how else to do this except to withhold donations and stop in person support at athletic events. Does anybody have any suggestions as I’m all in if someone out there knows what else we can do.
Well you do what you see fit? I don't operate that way, I supported LSU when Bush 2 dumped O'Keefe on LSU to get him out of NASA and Republican politicians in Louisiana loyal to Bush helped get O'Keefe the job. He did not even have a PhD and was leading a Carnegie Tier 1 Research School. I supported LSU when Jindal hired F King, who while he did have a PhD was far worse than O'Keefe (who was a good guy btw and did well with undergraduates)
So lets hypothetically assume LSU hires as President someone with the politics of say Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama or Jim Jordan of Ohio? or someone else that fits your political beliefs.
What if a large segment of Louisiana's population who vote Democrat say I don't like the leadership of LSU because of politics and stop sending their kids to play for LSU? I mean you can say you will not support LSU due to JBE's LSU BOS and their hiring of President Tate but by the same token, people with opposing political views can take the same stance and say they will not support LSU if it goes Politically the other way.
Which is why I go back to the LSU Football Coach should not be involved in Politics period. LSU football should be the one thing that Dems, Rep and Independents all can rally around and support. So Even if for example Coach O endorsed a candidate that I may have voted for. That is not a smart move. Coach Football and do nothing to impact your position as the face of the University.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:30 pm to JKChesterton
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Which is why I go back to the LSU Football Coach should not be involved in Politics period
The entire university shouldn’t be involved in oolitics you stupid frick...hence the title of this thread.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:32 pm to kingbob
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No, and what O did was completely classless.
However, I do remember heckling Coach Cal until he snapped during the Ice Dome game
Correct, what O did was classless and does not represent LSU in a positive way at all. That is my entire point about Coach O's ability and sophistication to handle situations. That episode last night is 100% consistent with his decision making and doing things that put himself and the LSU football program in a bad situation such as the getting involved in politics (never a winning situation) and the off the field personal life stuff that became public. To me those are all interrelated.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:39 pm to moneyg
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he entire university shouldn’t be involved in oolitics you stupid frick...hence the title of this thread.
Hey if you can't write something intelligent, then don't write anything to me.
Universities are part of Politics in that they are a Government entity. They are governed by a BOS appointed by the Governor. That is the reality. My point is whoever is the Governor of LA and appoints the BOS who runs LSU is not going to cause me not to support LSU. Because once a BOS is appointed, they serve 6 year terms
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Boards are comprised of humans who have political leanings, sometimes they align with mine, sometimes they don't. That is life get over it.
Regardless of who is on the LSU BOS and who appoints them, the LSU Coach needs to stay out of Politics.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:46 pm to JKChesterton
The issue is the university prioritizing virtue signaling and political pandering over the well-being of its students, the wants and desires of its alumni, the traditions and symbols of the institution, and the experiences of the people who purchase expensive tickets to its sporting events. The issue is that you have an institution that hates the people who pay a premium to support it. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are, you can see how that's a problem.
Imagine if the CEO of Nike decided that shoes and dryfit clothing cause climate change so they'd no longer sell those items, and that anyone who bought their products are bigots. Do you think people would still buy Nike?
Imagine if the CEO of Nike decided that shoes and dryfit clothing cause climate change so they'd no longer sell those items, and that anyone who bought their products are bigots. Do you think people would still buy Nike?
Posted on 9/5/21 at 4:54 pm to kingbob
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The issue is the university prioritizing virtue signaling and political pandering over the well-being of its students, the wants and desires of its alumni, the traditions and symbols of the institution, and the experiences of the people who purchase expensive tickets to its sporting events. The issue is that you have an institution that hates the people who pay a premium to support it. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are, you can see how that's a problem.
Imagine if the CEO of Nike decided that shoes and dryfit clothing cause climate change so they'd no longer sell those items, and that anyone who bought their products are bigots. Do you think people would still buy Nike?
kingbob: Ok, I purchase tickets to Football, Season ticket holder, at one time I also had Baseball tickets but gave those up as it got hard to attend all the games. I still support certain academic units, the Vet school for example is one that I support given I love my Dogs and value having a Vet School that is at the cutting edge of medical treatment for not only my dogs, but farmers who have dairy cattle, or Raise Horses, etc. That has not changed for me regardless of who was leading LSU. That is just how I roll.
What exactly has the University done to piss you off. The COVID-19 policy to attend the game. I am not happy about it, I am vaccinated and I was not going to attend the first 2 games regardless until I see how this COVID-19 protocol works. At the same time I am not going to not support LSU because I have to show proof of vaccine when I say attend the Auburn game which I am planning to do
What symbols of the University have changed? What Traditions has LSU done away with? You have to be specific.
This post was edited on 9/5/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 9/5/21 at 5:11 pm to JKChesterton
Every year they add more restrictions to tailgating, rope off more areas, charge more for parking passes, and introduce more areas where you have to pay to rent a tailgate.
They no longer bring the live Tiger mascot into the stadium to sate PETA who wants to eliminate live mascots despite the fact that Mike is treated better than any zoo or live tiger.
They are actively trying to eliminate the greek system.
For two straight years, they've used covid as an excuse to eliminate Rush and all associated traditions.
They railroaded the director of athletic bands in order to syphon money from the Tiger Band due to arrogance, jealousy, and greed of individuals who hated the public facing marching band.
The university actively negatively recruits Louisiana students by offering them zero scholarship money and instead throws money at out of state students with equal or lesser grades and test scores in order to boost metrics for college rankings.
The previous president of the university claimed it was on the verge of financial exigency despite its budget never going down from year to year when threatened with a cut to the projected annual rate of increase which still exceeded inflation. No real cuts were ever given, but the university still fired groundskeepers, maintenance staff, and instructors in order to sell optics that the university was struggling with crippling budget cuts. This resulted in reduced numbers of sections for many undergrad courses required for students to graduate, and the instructors tended to be the best actual teachers of material because they weren't purely concerned with grad students and research. Many of the professors view teaching undergraduate courses as beneath them, and they make damn sure the students know it.
The university looks to switch to a "holistic" approach to admissions designed to exempt African American students from meeting the same standardized test and grades requirements as other students despite them already often being held to reduced standards by admissions professionals.
LSU's Title 9 Department covering up sexual abuse and rape claims by a lot of people, not just athletes, and prosecuting kangaroo court proceedings on falsely accused students given no means to defend themselves. Dozens of lives have been ruined by this corrupt department.
The university administration trying to siphon donations to the engineering department to build the new Patrick F. Taylor hall to fund the liberal arts colleges.
Threatening students with unenrollment if they're not vaccinated against Covid-19.
That's just off the top of my head.
They no longer bring the live Tiger mascot into the stadium to sate PETA who wants to eliminate live mascots despite the fact that Mike is treated better than any zoo or live tiger.
They are actively trying to eliminate the greek system.
For two straight years, they've used covid as an excuse to eliminate Rush and all associated traditions.
They railroaded the director of athletic bands in order to syphon money from the Tiger Band due to arrogance, jealousy, and greed of individuals who hated the public facing marching band.
The university actively negatively recruits Louisiana students by offering them zero scholarship money and instead throws money at out of state students with equal or lesser grades and test scores in order to boost metrics for college rankings.
The previous president of the university claimed it was on the verge of financial exigency despite its budget never going down from year to year when threatened with a cut to the projected annual rate of increase which still exceeded inflation. No real cuts were ever given, but the university still fired groundskeepers, maintenance staff, and instructors in order to sell optics that the university was struggling with crippling budget cuts. This resulted in reduced numbers of sections for many undergrad courses required for students to graduate, and the instructors tended to be the best actual teachers of material because they weren't purely concerned with grad students and research. Many of the professors view teaching undergraduate courses as beneath them, and they make damn sure the students know it.
The university looks to switch to a "holistic" approach to admissions designed to exempt African American students from meeting the same standardized test and grades requirements as other students despite them already often being held to reduced standards by admissions professionals.
LSU's Title 9 Department covering up sexual abuse and rape claims by a lot of people, not just athletes, and prosecuting kangaroo court proceedings on falsely accused students given no means to defend themselves. Dozens of lives have been ruined by this corrupt department.
The university administration trying to siphon donations to the engineering department to build the new Patrick F. Taylor hall to fund the liberal arts colleges.
Threatening students with unenrollment if they're not vaccinated against Covid-19.
That's just off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 9/5/21 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 9/5/21 at 5:23 pm to kingbob
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Every year they add more restrictions to tailgating, rope off more areas, charge more for parking passes, and introduce more areas where you have to pay to rent a tailgate.
They no longer bring the live Tiger mascot into the stadium to sate PETA who wants to eliminate live mascots despite the fact that Mike is treated better than any zoo or live tiger.
They are actively trying to eliminate the greek system.
They railroaded the director of athletic bands in order to syphon money from the Tiger Band due to arrogance, jealousy, and greed of individuals who hated the public facing marching band.
The university actively negatively recruits Louisiana students by offering them zero scholarship money and instead throws money at out of state students with equal or lesser grades and test scores in order to boost metrics for college rankings.
The previous president of the university claimed it was on the verge of financial exigency despite its budget never going down from year to year when threatened with a cut to the projected annual rate of increase which still exceeded inflation. No real cuts were ever given, but the university still fired groundskeepers, maintenance staff, and instructors in order to sell optics that the university was struggling with crippling budget cuts. This resulted in reduced numbers of sections for many undergrad courses required for students to graduate, and the instructors tended to be the best actual teachers of material because they weren't purely concerned with grad students and research. Many of the professors view teaching undergraduate courses as beneath them, and they make damn sure the students know it.
The university looks to switch to a "holistic" approach to admissions designed to exempt African American students from meeting the same standardized test and grades requirements as other students despite them already often being held to reduced standards by admissions professionals.
LSU's Title 9 Department covering up sexual abuse and rape claims by a lot of people, not just athletes, and prosecuting kangaroo court proceedings on falsely accused students given no means to defend themselves. Dozens of lives have been ruined by this corrupt department.
The university administration trying to siphon donations to the engineering department to build the new Patrick F. Taylor hall to fund the liberal arts colleges.
Threatening students with unenrollment if they're not vaccinated against Covid-19.
That's just off the top of my head.
1). Ok, lets look at them, the Tailgating restrictions were put there for people who actually pay to go to games, whereas people who did not go to games were taking spots to tailgate. Most of the people who tailgate now are actual season Ticket holders.
2). The Tiger mascot thing is not LSU's doing, it is just no Zoo was ever going to provide a live Tiger if LSU kept bringing it to the game.
3) Greek system is not trying to be eliminated, there have been rapes and students hazed with alcohol that died on campus. I 100% agree with getting the Greek system under control, more the frats not the sororities. I don't see an issue here.
4) The scholarship money for students is an interesting one, that is problematic but Louisiana does not have enough students to meet what LSU is trying to do.
5) F King Alexander was 100% worthless, you get no argument from me on this one. But he was worthless the day he was hired, and yes, he was hired by Bobby Jindal who was no liberal btw so lets be honest on who hired that F-ing F King idiot.
6) The Holistic approach was F Kings brainchild.
7) Title IX coverup was and issue, but that was also under F King's tenure, who as I have already said was 100% an F ing idiot. Let's see what the new guy does to clean it up.
8) The siphoning of monies from the Engineering to Liberal arts is a problem, If that is true, then threaten a lawsuit against who did it. But I would think that to was F King Alexander, he had no academic qualifications and tended to not like Engineering, Business, and STEM fields as they made more money than Liberal arts academics.
President Tate from what he has said is that his number one goal is to increase scholarship and research, particularly STEM and Coastal Environment. From what I gathered, he already got rid of some people who were hold overs from F King's admin who were pushing on-line education which is 100% diametrically opposed to the LSU brand and a Research 1 mission.
9) The COVID-19 protocols are a compromise, there is a segment of LSU faculty who threatened law suits and walk outs and wanted to mandate the vaccine back in July. There is still a group pissed at Tate because they had to go back to campus.
That one is a tricky situation.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 5:26 pm to JKChesterton
If the Covid protocols were so necessary, then why is LSU the only SEC school that has them? Why doesn't UCLA?
This post was edited on 9/5/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 9/5/21 at 6:35 pm to dovehunter
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Look it’s obvious LSU has changed AND NOT FOR THE BETTER. We are rudderless, mired in the incompetence which is liberalism and I’m mad at myself and our fellow alumni for allowing it to happen. We have to stand up and fight back. I don’t know how else to do this except to withhold donations and stop in person support at athletic events. Does anybody have any suggestions as I’m all in if someone out there knows what else we can do.
Parents with college age kids STOP sending your kids to LSU. Academically it’s not what it used to be. Within a month of my second child starting there (pre Covid) I regretted it. I didn’t have those concerns with my oldest, who graduated 8 years ago.
I have a high schooler and she won’t be going to LSU.
Posted on 9/5/21 at 6:45 pm to kingbob
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It’s not like they want the fans to go anyway.
It seems their goal is for TAF to have “control” over as many tickets as possible.
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