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I see the same thing after every hurricane that hits BR
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:27 pm
Trees fall on power, power goes out, they have to rebuild the line. Why don’t we start to transition to all underground wires? I know my neighborhood and multiple other neighborhoods who would split the cost with the city so start with those and by next year all wires will be underground
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:28 pm to tigerbacon
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I know my neighborhood and multiple other neighborhoods who would split the cost with the city so start with those and by next year all wires will be underground
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:28 pm to tigerbacon
$$$ to install
$$$ to maintain
$$$ to maintain
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:28 pm to tigerbacon
Mind you my neighborhood lines are underground but are feeder lines on the end of the neighborhood is not. We would pay half to make those underground
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:29 pm to tigerbacon
Would have to hire a shitload of new operators.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:29 pm to tigerbacon
It has to be cheaper than replacing all the lines every few years in a city
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:32 pm to tigerbacon
This situation of above ground power lines is unique to Baton Rouge. The entire rest of the country has gotten smart.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:33 pm to tigerbacon
If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard this, I still wouldn’t be able to cover the cost of doing it
Plus, the transmission wires are always going to be aerial somewhere.
If you want power, for cheap, you have to be able to move that power from the place of production efficiently.
Plus, the transmission wires are always going to be aerial somewhere.
If you want power, for cheap, you have to be able to move that power from the place of production efficiently.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:34 pm to tigerbacon
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:34 pm to tigerbacon
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I know my neighborhood and multiple other neighborhoods who would split the cost with the city
Do you realize exactly how much that costs? I would bet my arse it's more than you think.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:37 pm to LSU316
My neighborhood in the 60’s decided to invest the money and made our lines underground. I got power on Wednesday but it’s annoying that we aren’t investing to make our city better. Feeder lines are what cost us this time
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:37 pm to fr33manator
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If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard this, I still wouldn’t be able to cover the cost of doing it
Plus, the transmission wires are always going to be aerial somewhere.
If you want power, for cheap, you have to be able to move that power from the place of production efficiently.
Right....think about how much people bitched about the Cleco rate increase that just went into effect (I was one...I still don't understand how it happened when it did).
shite they would have to triple the Entergy, Cleco, and etc rates and raise state and local tax rates to rival those of California and New York to make that feasible.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:38 pm to tigerbacon
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My neighborhood in the 60’s decided to invest the money and made our lines underground.
I'm guessing it would cost 10-20 times (at least) today what it cost to do it back then.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:39 pm to LSU316
The premise is invalid for multiple reasons. Who do you think is paying the other half? The customers pay 100% of the cost one way or another, either directly, or indirectly. You ain't splitting shite.
Bet you love those "free" vacuums at the carwash you just paid for. Or maybe you are more of a fan of the free peanuts they give you for the ticket you just paid for. Just searching for those best purchases that come with complimentary shite?
Bet you love those "free" vacuums at the carwash you just paid for. Or maybe you are more of a fan of the free peanuts they give you for the ticket you just paid for. Just searching for those best purchases that come with complimentary shite?
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:40 pm to tigerbacon
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Feeder lines are what cost us this time
The logistical and technical headaches of burying distribution lines in the state of Louisiana bears a cost that I don't think anyone is willing to even discuss.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:43 pm to tigerbacon
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It has to be cheaper than replacing all the lines every few years in a city
Trench burial rule of thumb is 10x multiplier.
Urban burial can approach 100x.
Too many things to hit that your can't see. Too much pavement to replace. Too many directional drills to bore.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:45 pm to beerandt
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To many directional drills to bore.
This is what people don't understand....directional drilling is an art when it comes to pipelining and it ain't cheap.....when you start basically pipelining electrical lines in Louisiana the amount of directional drilling costs become staggering.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:51 pm to beerandt
I was just reading an article on this. I’m pasting most of it.
WAPO article
WAPO article
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The chief drawback is the expense. In California, Pacific Gas and Electric resisted calls to bury its transmission lines for years as being too costly. But after the company’s equipment sparked a string of devastating forest fires, it reversed itself in July, announcing that it would bury 10,000 miles of lines that currently run overhead.
The price tag? Somewhere between $15 billion and $30 billion. But the new CEO, Patricia Poppe, told reporters when she made the announcement that doing nothing would cost the company, and the state, even more. “It’s too expensive not to do it. Lives are on the line,” she said.
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Nationally, there are 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines and, according to one estimate, 5.5 million miles of local distribution lines. Mike Beehler, national spokesman for the Power Delivery Intelligence Initiative, a trade group advocating the undergrounding, or burying, of lines, says that in most of the country putting a line underground is easier and less expensive than in California. “The cost of underground is coming down,” he said.
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Critics say the price is not always justifiable. In an essay for the Conversation, Theodore Kury, the director of energy studies at the University of Florida, argued that in many places overhead lines can be afforded better protection than they now have, for much less money than it would take to bury them. Stronger poles, better anchored, would be one step, he wrote, while aggressive cutting back of vegetation would be another. Getting access to the lines for maintenance could also be problematic, he added. Beehler, in contrast, argues that maintaining exposed overhead lines can cost three to seven times as much as dealing with those in protective sheaths underground.
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John Fluharty, vice chair for the Power Delivery Intelligence Initiative, said that while burying transmission lines is more expensive than stringing them through the air, underground lines do not require repairs with every strong storm that passes through, and over the course of their lifetimes can provide cost savings. He pointed out that going underground doesn’t have to be an all-or-nothing proposition: Utilities can pick the stretches where it would make the most sense.
Overhead lines naturally grow hot as they carry current, and they rely on the air to cool off. Operators must constantly monitor the temperatures of high-voltage lines to be sure they are not overheating. Warmer weather linked to climate change can make that more of a challenge, especially as air-conditioning demand also rises and helps to raise the temperature of the lines.
A technical challenge is in making sure underground lines can remain cool in the enclosed space of a conduit. And as Hurricane Sandy made clear when it hit the New York area in 2012, any underground electrical equipment has to be provided with watertight protection against immersion and the resulting corrosion.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 2:56 pm to WestSideTiger
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Stronger poles, better anchored
This my friends is a very interesting topic.
As we all know all storm repairs to infrastructure is passed directly onto the customer. Honestly it feels like I've been paying storm repair on my electric bill since Katrina and I've lived in 3 different south LA cities since then.
I think we should all contact our PCSs and get them to audit the shite out of what the electric companies are doing with these repairs. I mean shite are we putting up the same god damn poles that 100 mph wind just knocked down? If so why...if it is the best we can do then so be it, but I expect that it's not.
Before we talk about spending 10 of billions (maybe even eclipsing 100 billion in Louisiana) to bury lines we need to consider if we are getting the best repair for our buck of existing infrastructure.
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 2:58 pm
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