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re: UK report shows almost 2/3 of Delta deaths were vaccinated
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:06 pm to rsbd
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:06 pm to rsbd
quote:
Are we still believing Science??
The National Academy of Sciences said that the United States would be in an ice age that we could not revover from by the year 2000
That is what sceince is
A bunch of morons pretending to know anything.
Greta Thunburg is a mentally unwell child that made the Time Magazine person of the year to tell us we are going to die in 7 years.
Guess what. No.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:06 pm to Landmass
Take a look at the top of the report and date range the data runs through.
Starts on February 1, 2021.
On February 1, less than 1% of the UK had been fully vaccinated. Now that rate is close to 60%. It’s a bit tough to take any conclusion from this report when the rate of vaccination is so skewed across the sample period.
Starts on February 1, 2021.
On February 1, less than 1% of the UK had been fully vaccinated. Now that rate is close to 60%. It’s a bit tough to take any conclusion from this report when the rate of vaccination is so skewed across the sample period.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:06 pm to SocialDelinquent
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Most of the mainstream media, doctors and scientists are still citing studies from the pre-variant Spring.
Yep, Trump is not a doctor and could do nothing but rely on the information he was fed. Any time he stepped out of the narrative(Chloroquine for example) he was raked over the coals by the media and messiah fauchi.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:11 pm to oklahogjr
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So you don't think trump is right about the vaccine? Why do you think he continues pushing it with studies like this out there?
Are you saying that?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:11 pm to Landmass
Another misleading stat; you really are dangerous and deceitful.
Covid: Misleading stat claims more vaccinated people die
By Rachel Schraer
BBC News
Published1 July
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Some people, including those pushing an anti-vaccine agenda online, have been misinterpreting figures showing that a large proportion of those dying with the Delta variant of coronavirus had been vaccinated.
One conspiracy site even claimed vaccinated people were dying at higher rates than those who had not received the jab, which is untrue.
This site and others use real figures in a misleading way, to arrive at a completely false conclusion - that the vaccine may not be working or even doing more harm than good.
The latest Public Health England (PHE) figures show there were 92,029 confirmed Delta cases between 1 February and 22 June, most of which were identified in June.
Of these, 58% were in completely unvaccinated people and only 8% were fully vaccinated. For context, by the start of June more than half of adults in the UK were fully vaccinated. If the vaccines weren't helping, we would expect them to make up more than half the cases.
So we can see the vaccine is reducing cases.
How many coronavirus cases are there in my area?
Less alarming
The figures for hospital admissions and deaths are a bit more confusing.
Of the 117 people who died with the Delta variant, first identified in India, 50 (43%) had been fully vaccinated.
And on 13 June, a Daily Mail headline claimed the proportion of those dying who had been fully vaccinated had "scared" Prime Minister Boris Johnson into delaying the 21 June easing of restrictions, describing it as a "blow".
But what these figures actually show is less alarming.
The 43% figure relates to deaths only - so it misses all the vaccinated people who were exposed to Covid but did not catch it, or caught the virus but did not become very ill.
And by now, almost everyone at risk of dying from Covid has been vaccinated (more than 90%).
How many people have been vaccinated so far?
When will I get the vaccine?
No vaccine is perfect in preventing people from getting Covid and therefore a small number of people will still die.
And in a world where every single person had been vaccinated, 100% of Covid deaths would be of vaccinated people.
But the actual number of people dying would be much lower - a 20th as many as if no-one was vaccinated, according to PHE estimates.
The vaccines are already estimated to have saved 27,000 lives in England.
Fewer deaths
And there is another reason you cannot currently just compare the number of Covid deaths among vaccinated and unvaccinated people and come to any conclusions about how effective the jabs are.
Because most fully vaccinated people are over the age of 50 - and therefore more likely to die - while most unvaccinated people are young and healthy.
Covid: Misleading stat claims more vaccinated people die
By Rachel Schraer
BBC News
Published1 July
Share
Related Topics
Reality Check
covid vaccination centre
IMAGE SOURCEGETTY IMAGES
Some people, including those pushing an anti-vaccine agenda online, have been misinterpreting figures showing that a large proportion of those dying with the Delta variant of coronavirus had been vaccinated.
One conspiracy site even claimed vaccinated people were dying at higher rates than those who had not received the jab, which is untrue.
This site and others use real figures in a misleading way, to arrive at a completely false conclusion - that the vaccine may not be working or even doing more harm than good.
The latest Public Health England (PHE) figures show there were 92,029 confirmed Delta cases between 1 February and 22 June, most of which were identified in June.
Of these, 58% were in completely unvaccinated people and only 8% were fully vaccinated. For context, by the start of June more than half of adults in the UK were fully vaccinated. If the vaccines weren't helping, we would expect them to make up more than half the cases.
So we can see the vaccine is reducing cases.
How many coronavirus cases are there in my area?
Less alarming
The figures for hospital admissions and deaths are a bit more confusing.
Of the 117 people who died with the Delta variant, first identified in India, 50 (43%) had been fully vaccinated.
And on 13 June, a Daily Mail headline claimed the proportion of those dying who had been fully vaccinated had "scared" Prime Minister Boris Johnson into delaying the 21 June easing of restrictions, describing it as a "blow".
But what these figures actually show is less alarming.
The 43% figure relates to deaths only - so it misses all the vaccinated people who were exposed to Covid but did not catch it, or caught the virus but did not become very ill.
And by now, almost everyone at risk of dying from Covid has been vaccinated (more than 90%).
How many people have been vaccinated so far?
When will I get the vaccine?
No vaccine is perfect in preventing people from getting Covid and therefore a small number of people will still die.
And in a world where every single person had been vaccinated, 100% of Covid deaths would be of vaccinated people.
But the actual number of people dying would be much lower - a 20th as many as if no-one was vaccinated, according to PHE estimates.
The vaccines are already estimated to have saved 27,000 lives in England.
Fewer deaths
And there is another reason you cannot currently just compare the number of Covid deaths among vaccinated and unvaccinated people and come to any conclusions about how effective the jabs are.
Because most fully vaccinated people are over the age of 50 - and therefore more likely to die - while most unvaccinated people are young and healthy.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:14 pm to College Inn
quote:
The National Academy of Sciences said that the United States would be in an ice age that we could not revover from by the year 2000
That is what sceince is
A bunch of morons pretending to know anything.
Greta Thunburg is a mentally unwell child that made the Time Magazine person of the year to tell us we are going to die in 7 years.
Guess what. No.
Ok just checking
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:15 pm to Landmass
Looks like the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was most widely used in the UK. I don't think that this applies to the USA.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:16 pm to HubbaBubba
shhh dont point out things like it not even being the vaccine we use. gotta shout out nEedZ BOoStER!@
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:20 pm to Landmass
Remember the ferret vaccine test with coronavirus? The ferrets died when being exposed to COVID in the wild a year after the vaccine.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:23 pm to Vandergriff
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those that voted for Trump CAN actually disagree with things he says.
Really? When did that start? Cause I’ve been called a liberal more than once on this board for doing just that.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:24 pm to oklahogjr
You finally learned conservative voters don’t follow blindly the people they support to run the country. You of course cannot say the same.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:25 pm to Ted2010
Let’s be fair, you are a liberal.
You even have admitted it in the past. Stop
You even have admitted it in the past. Stop
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:29 pm to DevilDogTiger
But my brother-in-law's girlfriend's father's old fishing buddy is a doctor and he told our other friend's grandfather that only nonvaccinated people are getting Covid and NO vaccinated person has died of Covid. And, even if they did, on their deathbed they still called over a local newstation to do a report whereby they want to urge everybody to get the vaccine even if the vaccine might be responsible for their death.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:29 pm to oklahogjr
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So you don't think trump is right about the vaccine?
We get it, u have a crush on Trump
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:30 pm to montjrtiger
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montjrtiger
Little help here;
Deaths within 28 days of positive specimen date; Received 2 doses- 389. Unvaccinated- 205.
What am I missing here? Legit asking.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:30 pm to BobBoucher
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Remember the ferret vaccine test with coronavirus? The ferrets died when being exposed to COVID in the wild a year after the vaccine.
Just sayin.
source? you talking about the SARS virus-different virus; very different vaccine. Some of you folks- just damn
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:30 pm to rsbd
This is what was published around the world
Seems like global cooling and global warming are only buzzowrds for free money gimmie gimmie
Seems like global cooling and global warming are only buzzowrds for free money gimmie gimmie
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:33 pm to montjrtiger
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source? y
It was linked on here a while back. Maybe one of you folks recalls.
It was a coronavirus, that’s the context. but obviously not the same one causing the pandemic.
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