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Is Afghanistan our fault?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:23 pm
Is Afghanistan really our fault?
Although it’s always been a tribal nation, do you think that we made it worse?
Although it’s always been a tribal nation, do you think that we made it worse?
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:29 pm to Craig86
We definitely didn’t help. It was the equivalent of stepping barefoot into a fire ant bed.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:30 pm to Craig86
Nope. We made it better. But Afghanistan is tenuous.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:31 pm to Craig86
We funded the ideological predecessors to the Taliban and Al Qaeda in an attempt to beat the Soviets. We then invaded and occupied a medieval hellhole for 20 years in some ridiculous attempt to bring democracy to a culture that doesn't want it. Of course it's our fault.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:33 pm to JackieTreehorn
I’m arguing with some people on reddit it right now and it’s frustrating man. One part of me doesn’t want to be the world police, because it cost too much money, and it cost too many lives.
The other part of me doesn’t want people to be hurt, I don’t want people to be raped, I don’t want people to get their head cut off, I don’t want religious fanatics to enslave and to kill people.
I believe the average human being when exposed to freedom and love, would choose that any day over some type of extremism.
I think a lot of people don’t understand the situation in Afghanistan and it’s so easy to sit here and say, it will never be fixed so it doesn’t matter.
There are good people and bad people in Afghanistan, there were loyal soldiers, and there were back stabbers, political cronyism , etc.
I don’t want to leave our friends behind to be killed, I don’t want the boys that went over there to have died for nothing.
The other part of me doesn’t want people to be hurt, I don’t want people to be raped, I don’t want people to get their head cut off, I don’t want religious fanatics to enslave and to kill people.
I believe the average human being when exposed to freedom and love, would choose that any day over some type of extremism.
I think a lot of people don’t understand the situation in Afghanistan and it’s so easy to sit here and say, it will never be fixed so it doesn’t matter.
There are good people and bad people in Afghanistan, there were loyal soldiers, and there were back stabbers, political cronyism , etc.
I don’t want to leave our friends behind to be killed, I don’t want the boys that went over there to have died for nothing.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:37 pm to Craig86
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I’m arguing with some people on reddit it right now and it’s frustrating man.
People online are largely impervious to reason, especially on Reddit, so even if you serve them, it means nothing. They won’t recognize it, so who cares?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:42 pm to Craig86
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I don’t want the boys that went over there to have died for nothing.
They were given a death sentence the minute our government voted to go to war there. There is no happy ending in Afghanistan. There never has been. We all knew as soon as we left the country would revert back to what it was. It's a tribal society that will be in a permanent conflict because of tribal/ethnic and religious (Sunni vs. Shia) differences.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:44 pm to Craig86
Nation building comes at a price. Ask the Romans and Persians...
The thing about Afghanistan I think some people fail to realize is they went through such a drastic change in a relatively short amount of time. Twenty years isn't much time to build the societal supports it takes to sustain a modern society. Technological advances, cultural norms, etc. We tried to lurch them forward 300 years in 20.
Those things were and have been in a transition. It's not like this has cycled through for a few generations and theyve adopted a new culture and societal structure.
They never changed. The same generation of 2001 is still there and present. It was always going to collapse if a permanent presence wasn't made. Twenty years isn't enough time to expect fruitful harvest of whatever efforts we were trying to support.
It was never going to be sustainable if you ever approached it with an "end" in mind. I'm 35. I wouldn't expect to see Afghanistan fully utilizing it resources, supports and collective infrastructure independently until I was 85.
It was our fault from the beginning if we were going in with the idea one day we'd pull out. Just my opinion. You cant blame them for not having the ability to stand when all the same actors, stakeholders and antagonists still occupy the same space you started.
The thing about Afghanistan I think some people fail to realize is they went through such a drastic change in a relatively short amount of time. Twenty years isn't much time to build the societal supports it takes to sustain a modern society. Technological advances, cultural norms, etc. We tried to lurch them forward 300 years in 20.
Those things were and have been in a transition. It's not like this has cycled through for a few generations and theyve adopted a new culture and societal structure.
They never changed. The same generation of 2001 is still there and present. It was always going to collapse if a permanent presence wasn't made. Twenty years isn't enough time to expect fruitful harvest of whatever efforts we were trying to support.
It was never going to be sustainable if you ever approached it with an "end" in mind. I'm 35. I wouldn't expect to see Afghanistan fully utilizing it resources, supports and collective infrastructure independently until I was 85.
It was our fault from the beginning if we were going in with the idea one day we'd pull out. Just my opinion. You cant blame them for not having the ability to stand when all the same actors, stakeholders and antagonists still occupy the same space you started.
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:46 pm to Craig86
It’s a backwards culture that will never improve without outside influence… which they’ll never accept.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:47 pm to Craig86
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I believe the average human being when exposed to freedom and love, would choose that any day over some type of extremism.
Isn’t your own country busy today proving you wrong?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:49 pm to Craig86
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Is Afghanistan our fault?
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:53 pm to Craig86
Not my fault. I voted for Trump.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:53 pm to THRILLHO
that is the first thing that came to my mind 
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:56 pm to Craig86
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Although it’s always been a tribal nation, do you think that we made it worse?
Undoubtedly Afghanistan is worse off for every nation that is tinkering with their country.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:58 pm to Craig86
No. This disaster is Hidens fault. You get everyone to safety BEFORE the military leaves. You give your people an ultimatum, such as, be gone within 30 days or you are on your own. You spend 90 days vetting all Afghanis that want to get out of the country for safety reasons. If they helped, then they get out. IF they did not help, then they stay. Most Boy Scout troops could have planned this better.
Should we have stayed 20 years? No
Should we have built up their country and neglect ours? No
Should we have stayed 20 years? No
Should we have built up their country and neglect ours? No
Posted on 8/25/21 at 12:01 am to SCLibertarian
But the Catholics and protestants were in a war and they resolved their differences mostly.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:12 am to SCLibertarian
quote:The sad thing about it is that the Soviet installed regime gallantly fought the Jihadists mostly alone( 3 years) after the struggling Soviets pulled support & collapsed. The Jihadists were supported by the USA , Pakistan, Saudis, etc...
We funded the ideological predecessors to the Taliban and Al Qaeda in an attempt to beat the Soviets. We then invaded and occupied a medieval hellhole for 20 years in some ridiculous attempt to bring democracy to a culture that doesn't want it. Of course it's our fault.
This corrupt Afghan government & weak military/ militia ( Conservatives are White Knighting for) collapsed in less than 10 days on their own.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:21 am to Craig86
Yes, we installed a government that had less public support than the Taliban. The Afghani government siphoned tons of our money and never helped the people. Tons of corruption at large by government officials. You can convince liberal dead brains to stay in Afghanistan to protect the women and children, but most intelligent people understand that the entire operation was a sink hole and complete waste of our money.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:28 am to Craig86
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There are good people and bad people in Afghanistan, there were loyal soldiers, and there were back stabbers, political cronyism , etc.
I don’t want to leave our friends behind to be killed, I don’t want the boys that went over there to have died for nothing.
Nation building is a fools errand in that corrupt tribal land. Conversely, its terrorist breeding ground was capped for the last 20 years.
It was probably a mistake to completely abandon the anti-terrorist effort backing up the Afghan Army that was already doing virtually all of the fighting. Their over 50k dead is testimony to that.
Biden & co.'s catastrophic blunders have been stupidly foolish in how he went about cutting and running leaving American civilians and allies to suffer the consequences and arming the Taliban with 85 billion in military equipment. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
Now, the Taliban's #2 man is al Qaeda and that doesn't bode well.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:30 am to THRILLHO
That guy looks like a Vindman.
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