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re: From My MSU Booster Friend: MS Covid numbers. 2x cases, 75% less deaths, Low vax rates

Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Why don’t you compare death rate per 100k for the winter wave and now?

I’ll wait.



He did that. Here you go:

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At our height... Which was around the Jan 6th week, we had..at most.. 3,255 cases per day, but at was between 2,000 to 3,255 per day. When you track that to the deaths during that week, we had deaths from the 40s to 90s per day. As of now, we are having between 3,000 to 5,000 plus cases per day. Looking at the deaths, we are at the 20 - 30 range. Now, it's a little early in this current wave to say defenitively, but it appears so far that we are doubling the cases, and have between 50% to 75% less fatalities.
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
8012 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:08 pm to
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I see numbers. I don't know what exactly you're trying to convey.

Roughly 2 million people unvaccinated. About 1700 died from covid above 40yrs old.

More people die from the flu.


Also if those that positive were treated early on with a Ivermectin/ steroid/ anitbiotic protocol most of the deaths would not have occurred.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
7049 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:10 pm to
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That's 12.8% of the population that has been infected, leaving 87.2% that has not had covid.

As an aside, I'm gonna point out that these are the reported numbers and they may be inaccurate. We cannot account for the infected population that is either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic who don't seek healthcare or get tested.

It's possible that way more than 12.8% of people have been infected. And to me, that makes this whole thing alot less scary since we could have achieved a level of herd immunity by now.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:11 pm to
That is not the comparison I described.

The exact numbers are on the CDC website.

I’ll grab them for you when I get back to my computer.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:17 pm to
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That is not the comparison I described.

The exact numbers are on the CDC website.


It is. You just don't like what the numbers are.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:22 pm to
Here you go, idiot.

7-day death rate per 100k for the past 30 days in MS, averaged

1.646

7-day death rate per 100k for 30 days prior to the peak in deaths from the winter wave for MS, averaged

8.46

Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15199 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:25 pm to
How people can look at that and think vaccines arent working is beyond comprehension of rational people.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:26 pm to
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Here you go, idiot.



So you just confirmed what he stated. LMAO!

Without a link... but Thank you.

Posted by Mr Magoo
Member since Sep 2007
181 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:27 pm to
Why are the starting the measurements at January 1st and reporting those figures to compare vax vs. unvaxed? It’s disingenuous to compare those time periods when most people didn’t get vaxed until later in 2021. So naturally the unvaxed figures would be greater in all comparison.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:28 pm to
So what are you arguing, exactly?

First it was “interventions aren’t doing anything”.

But both me and your “friend” say deaths have plummeted despite cases being comparable.

Whats your point?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:29 pm to
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Why are the starting the measurements at January 1st and reporting those figures to compare vax vs. unvaxed? It’s disingenuous to compare those time periods when most people didn’t get vaxed until later in 2021. So naturally the unvaxed figures would be greater in all comparison.



I don't see any problems with the figures at all. Point them out. I believe it is laid out clearly.

Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:30 pm to
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How people can look at that and think vaccines arent working is beyond comprehension of rational people.


Because rational people understand that viruses mutate into less deadly, more contagious versions of itself, hence the significant decrease in deaths.

You attribute it to the vaccine, i do not.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:31 pm to
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So what are you arguing, exactly?




That the vaccine can not be responsible for the decline in the rates because the math does not support it.

More cases.. less deaths.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:31 pm to
That’s real cute. Literally making up an assumption and ignoring published literature.

This is why everyone makes fun of you. Y’all deserve everything you get.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:33 pm to
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Because rational people understand that viruses mutate into less deadly, more contagious versions of itself, hence the significant decrease in deaths.

You attribute it to the vaccine, i do not.




Correct. There has to be a reason and when the population of vaccinated does not support that drop, the alternative is one of two things:

1- Not as deadly.

2- Natural immunity from having it. If this is the case, then the vaccine is not really effective at all
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:34 pm to
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That’s real cute. Literally making up an assumption and ignoring published literature.

This is why everyone makes fun of you. Y’all deserve everything you get.



Then prove your work. Show me the math.

Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:34 pm to
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That’s real cute. Literally making up an assumption and ignoring published literature.
Viruses mutate into less deadly versions. Thats a fact proven by published literature. Youre welcome to research for yourself.

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This is why everyone makes fun of you. Y’all deserve everything you get.
You think some random poster's opinion on the internet bothers me?

YOu could literally die tomorrow and I would not give two shits
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53615 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:39 pm to
And he ran when he could not do the math.


Double the numbers... Less deaths (even per him) yet the population is not vaccinated to that degree at all. Nowhere near it

Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:40 pm to
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And he ran when he could not do the math.
And because viruses to mutate into a less deadly version to survive. Its fricking common knowledge....or at least so i thought
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