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re: USA tells Brits to stop extracting their trapped Citizens
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:03 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:03 am to Indefatigable
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No one disagrees. That is the situation. Stop making it about the agreement
Okay, 3,2,1 Afghans start bombing the airport. Its all about them being told what to do... whether there is or isn't an agreement.
The agreement right now is do what the frick they say or chance they all get wiped out.
Its not complex.
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:03 am to LSUGrrrl
I think how the Taliban respond to the situation will tell us which way this is going to go.
Scenario 1)
Taliban start to set up a mechanism to allow foreigners to get to the airport. And assist in getting the people there, then we could get everyone out.
Scenario 2) The Taliban don't lift a finger to assist us or help our people get out and continue to prevent people at the airport from getting in...then we know we have a real risk of people being left behind. Anyone we leave behind is in mortal danger.
I am going to be paying attention to the daily evacuation numbers.
Scenario 1)
Taliban start to set up a mechanism to allow foreigners to get to the airport. And assist in getting the people there, then we could get everyone out.
Scenario 2) The Taliban don't lift a finger to assist us or help our people get out and continue to prevent people at the airport from getting in...then we know we have a real risk of people being left behind. Anyone we leave behind is in mortal danger.
I am going to be paying attention to the daily evacuation numbers.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:05 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Why do you think people from the government keep talking about the "agreement".
Because it is a convenient excuse and nothing more. If we had the capability in this moment for a more robust and expansive operation, no one anywhere would be pretending to be constrained by the agreement.
You are the only person on earth who seems to not understand that.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:05 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
I read the thread.
You’re retarded.
You’re retarded.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:07 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Its not complex.
No one has said that it is.
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Okay, 3,2,1 Afghans start bombing the airport. Its all about them being told what to do... whether there is or isn't an agreement.
No matter how many times you say it, the agreement is governing the actions of zero people in Afghanistan. The tactical reality on the ground is determine the actions of all sides.
Literally no one would disagree with any of your points if you would just stop acting like “the agreement” signed in Doha is what is determining what happens now, on either side.
It isn’t.
“The agreement” on the ground that you’re trying to pivot to is called reality. No one agreed for that to happen (ie surrounding an airport full of vulnerable troop). That is where the parties have found themselves.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:10 am to Indefatigable
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No matter how many times you say it, the agreement is governing the actions of zero people in Afghanistan. The tactical reality on the ground
Literally no one would disagree with any of your points if you would just stop acting like “the agreement” signed in Doha is what is determining what happens now, on either side.
It isn’t.
“The agreement” on the ground that you’re trying to pivot to is called reality. No one agreed for that to happen (ie surrounding an airport full of vulnerable troop). That is where the parties have found themselves.
Let's forget the written agreement.
The present agreement is do what the Afghans tell you, see military responses.
The reason the US military is telling the British to stop is because they jeopardizing the mission i.e. the airport.
All these Rambos are delusional, all these people saying the US military is stupid for doing that are delusional.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:10 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
That agreement would work for Trump, not to mention the obvious point of getting our civilians out before we give up our bases and remove the military. Our people are more important than some agreement anyway. Is there some reason you can't PYHO? Are you a blithering idiot? How many "agreements has ISIS, Taliban or Al Quaeda actually honored? Is negotiating with terrorists ok now.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:11 am to BillRose
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That agreement would work for Trump, not to mention the obvious point of getting our civilians out before we give up our bases and remove the military. Our people are more important than some agreement anyway. Is there some reason you can't PYHO? Are you a blithering idiot? How many "agreements has ISIS, Taliban or Al Quaeda actually honored? Is negotiating with terrorists ok now.
Okay, don't do what the Afghans tell you.
3,2,1... shells inbound to the airport.
The military is saying the same thing, they're not lying.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:11 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:
The present agreement is do what the Afghans tell you, see military responses.
The reason the US military is telling the British to stop is because they jeopardizing the mission i.e. the airport.
All these Rambos are delusional, all these people saying the US military is stupid for doing that are delusional.
That is the situation. You’ve repeated it a million times. No one disagrees.
Leave the word “agreement” out of every single post you make on this topic and no one on this website will disagree with you.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:12 am to Indefatigable
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That is the situation. You’ve repeated it a million times. No one disagrees.
Leave the word “agreement” out of every single post you make on this topic and no one on this website will disagree with you.
They absolute did disagree, look at the thread.
They're mad because the military won't go out and magically pick up people... the military is saying why... its not a military operation.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:13 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
You simple SOB, the only thing that will make any difference at all is if we secure the city. That means putting rough young men into action, not waiting for you to finish your self fellatio while navel gazing.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:14 am to BillRose
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You simple SOB, the only thing that will make any difference at all is if we secure the city. That means putting rough young men into action, not waiting for you to finish your self fellatio while navel gazing.
You're delusional. Who is "we"?
They can't even secure the airport from a mob, let alone take on a military force in the city.
You can get mad at me for no reason, but that is the reality Jello Joe put them in.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:15 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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They're mad because the military won't go out and magically pick up people.
Fine. Let them be.
Either way, constantly referring to either (a) the written agreement or (b) referring to the tactical situation as an “agreement” is what is causing everyone to attack you and disagree.
Just stop fricking calling it an agreement. Everyone knows that the Taliban can shell the airport at any time. We didn’t agree to that. It’s just the situation because they have all the leverage.
ETA: you’ll also get no agreement by falling back on “it’s not a military operation”. Once again, everyone knows that. People are upset that it hasn’t become a military operation. Your messaging is terrible.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:16 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
They're mad because the military won't go out and magically pick up people... the military is saying why... its not a military operation.
Magically? It is our governments obligation to protect the people they paid to be there. This is going to be the biggest hostage situation in history. Yes it is a military operation you moron, just as the Iranian embassy solution needed a non leftard jackass to solve.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:16 am to BillRose
Bill, serious question, how do we secure the city?
How many troops on the ground would it take to secure a city the size of Kabul that is full of Taliban?
How many troops on the ground would it take to secure a city the size of Kabul that is full of Taliban?
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:17 am to Indefatigable
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Either way, constantly referring to either (a) the written agreement or (b) referring to the tactical situation as an “agreement” is what is causing everyone to attack you and disagree.
No it isn't, see thread. Look at this jackass right above this post.
They're delusional, they are blaming the military, and the reason the military isn't doing anything is simple.... its not a military operation.
I'm only explaining the why, the why is two parts... the agreement and even if there was no agreement... you still do what the frick they say.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:17 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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That they had time to evacuate, time is months up.
Who’s been in charge since months?
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:18 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
We being US military forces moron. We have no other choice. Other than let thousands be murdered or held for hostages. Yes we can secure the airport, blood will run in the streets but we can do it.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:18 am to Meauxjeaux
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Who’s been in charge since months?
Nobody on this forum disagrees as to who's fault it is.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:19 am to BillRose
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We being US military fores moron. We have no other choice. Other than let thousands be murdered or held for hostages. Yes we can secure the airport, blood will run in the streets but we can do it.
Who is "we"? And what is "we"s plan?
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