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re: First picture from Amazon's Tolkien/Lord of the Rings series

Posted on 8/12/21 at 11:12 am to
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 11:12 am to
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So... technically the image is from BEFORE the First Age- the Ages start with the Sun and Moon. The Trees were before that.


I mean I guess i've gone forever mistakenly thinking that the 1st age began with the creating of the two trees. There wasnt really a chronological way of keeping track of time/years before the two trees right? But we know the trees did and that the 1st age lasted 500+ years. But i've also always thought that there wasnt necessarily a definite time of when the 1st age started so I went with the creation of the two trees because that made the most sense to me as far as actually keeping track of time and I know that others have felt the same. I think

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b) it could be Galadriel... she saw the Trees and her hair caught the light of Laurelin, the golden tree


That was my guess. But I wasnt exactly thinking outside the box like this...

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c) this could be Melkor/Morgoth, on the way to destroy the Trees... Ungoliant could be just out of view, behind him.
d) it could be Sauron, looking upon the trees, before he turned to service with Melkor; I don't know when he swapped sides. But he originally was a Maia in the service of Aule.


Thats deep.

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It's hard to tell much on the person, because while I think the figure's hip is wide (and thus female), that could be pose. And the neck and shoulders look broad, suggesting male. Looks to be a sword on the left side; something straight is coming away.



The hair is in a bun in the back as well. This is some full blown nerd stuff right here
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 11:36 am to
That's a lot of phallic imagery for one picture.
Posted by huntingwabbits47
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 11:40 am to
My guess it's Feanor before he crafted the Silmarils and Morgoth destroyed the trees.

Also, Melkor used a spear to wound the trees, not a sword.
This post was edited on 8/12/21 at 11:47 am
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 12:39 pm to
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Also, Melkor used a spear to wound the trees, not a sword.

True. Was just trying to exhaust the possibilities, on who would be important.
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My guess it's Feanor before he crafted the Silmarils and Morgoth destroyed the trees
That's a good call.

Yep, definitely looks like a bun, but the neck and shoulders are pretty thick for Galadriel (or any female). Maybe it's not a hair bun, but instead the back of some crown or similar headpiece, holding the hair back up. Feanor wore the Silmarils on his brow; that could be the band he wore them on.

I get the sense that it's someone we need to understand, to create the story.
If we're showing the Trees and Feanor, even in passing, that explains the Elves and their conflict with Sauron (which was a carryover from their conflict with Morgoth). Also sets the table for explaining why Galadriel is so much more powerful than the other Elves (she's the only one left that has looked upon the Trees). Celeborn, Thranduil, Elrond- came afterwards. The rest are dead except Glorfindel, and he's been written out of the films.
I don't remember if Cirdan actually saw the Trees, or just was close by- I think he was Teleri, and I thought they never went into Valinor proper (outside of Elwe). Only the Noldor and Vanyar went that far West, and only the Noldor returned to Middle Earth.
Although, wasn't Galadriel part Vanyar- making her "more beautiful"?

I know I'm nerding out, but I really love Tolkien's works. No matter what, I don't think this will meet my hopes, but it's good to see they are at least trying to incorporate more of the mythos than even the films did. Certainly more than the Hobbit trilogy did.
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 12:49 pm to
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the show was discussed, the picture wasn't
They talked about the same trees that this thread talks about. I didn't post that to make it look like you didn't need to start another thread. I thought you wanted to know people's thoughts about it.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 2:08 pm to
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the show was discussed, the picture wasn't

They talked about the same trees that this thread talks about. I didn't post that to make it look like you didn't need to start another thread. I thought you wanted to know people's thoughts about it.

I looked over that thread, and there's like 2-3 posts regarding the actual image (and what it might mean to the show). There's a lot of "I hear it's going to be woke/Chinese/horrible" chatter in that thread, and a few discussing release dates.

I know OMLandshark is terrified it will be catered towards the Chinese, and a bunch of others talking about SJW stuff. I don't care at all about that, because as of now, it's not released and people are still guessing.

I've seen a lot of rumors and speculation that don't seem to understand this at all- people wondering about hobbits, Gandalf, young Aragorn etc; NONE of which are relevant or present in the Second Age.

The fact that they are releasing this particular image, shows me they are going to stay true to the original tales, and not cater to pop culture.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 3:33 pm to
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d) it could be Sauron, looking upon the trees, before he turned to service with Melkor; I don't know when he swapped sides. But he originally was a Maia in the service of Aule.


I’m fairly certain Sauron openly joined Melkor during the Years of the Lamps. I think once Melkor created his fortress of Utumno is when Sauron declared himself for Melkor, so I don’t think Sauron ever saw the Trees.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 3:38 pm to
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My guess it's Feanor before he crafted the Silmarils and Morgoth destroyed the trees.


It could be Fëanor, but Fëanor is largely associated with darkness outside of his creation of the Silmarils. Fëanor was extremely unapologetic for who he was and wasn’t much of a deceiver. I could see that being Morgoth, and definitely Galadriel, but I don’t see that being Feanor’s attire.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/12/21 at 4:45 pm to
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OMLandshark
Good to see you can set aside your trepidations, and join in the discussion .
You bring a lot of knowledge to the table

Looking further at this image, I think it can't be one of the original 3 (Finwe, Elwe or Ingwe) to come: there are swan ships at the harbor. Looks like the city of Tirion.

Pictures like this usually don't have 'random nobodies' in them, so I'm assuming the figure is someone significant.
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It could be Fëanor, but Fëanor is largely associated with darkness outside of his creation of the Silmarils. Fëanor was extremely unapologetic for who he was and wasn’t much of a deceiver. I could see that being Morgoth, and definitely Galadriel, but I don’t see that being Feanor’s attire
Galadriel makes a lot of sense, but I don't think this is a female; look at the shoulders and neck, and the boots etc. It's a male, just my opinion.

Feanor had dark hair, so I think that's a no-go. Maybe Finwe, looking upon Tirion from Formenos (where Feanor had been staying after exile?)
Posted by bleeng
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 1:09 pm to
Amazon is moving filming from New Zealand to UK.

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It said the shift in locations was part of a plan to expand its production space and consolidate its footprint in the UK.
The first season of the show will finish filming in New Zealand and will be shown on Amazon Prime in September 2022.
Production will then move to the UK and four more seasons of the show are expected to be made.
New Zealand's economic development minister Stuart Nash said the government was "disappointed" by the decision.
In April, the New Zealand government had granted Amazon Studios extra subsidies on its production.


LINK

Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:16 pm to
it's a picture of TES6
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