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re: Construction Management & Career Change
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:52 pm to southside
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:52 pm to southside
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You can make good money in commercial but for it to compare to industrial you're going to have to follow the big work or be at the top of a local company.
What kind of money are we talking? I'm a commercial superintendent, made 120k last year with bonus. I'm just curious if I'm getting hosed. The company I'm with was my first out of school so I've got nothing to compare to.
I will say the hours suck. We build schools and it's rare that I work less than 60 hour weeks. Most weeks it's more like 65-70. Has gotten as high as 90 when I was on summer remodel work
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:58 pm to baseballmind1212
Frick all that - I did that when younger, want a life with my kids now.
I’m not going back to that
I’m not going back to that
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:21 pm to baseballmind1212
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What kind of money are we talking? I'm a commercial superintendent, made 120k last year with bonus.
you're doing fine.
you aren't going to make a whole lot more than that until you become an owner
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:50 pm to baseballmind1212
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I'm a commercial superintendent, made 120k last year with bonus.
I work for a subcontracting trade and am very close to this without the 60 hour work weeks.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:47 pm to baseballmind1212
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I'm a commercial superintendent, made 120k last year with bonus
In south Louisiana? That’s pretty good money. We didn’t pay near that much with that last company I worked for.
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I will say the hours suck. We build schools and it's rare that I work less than 60 hour weeks. Most weeks it's more like 65-70. Has gotten as high as 90 when I was on summer remodel work
These were my hours as a commercial PM. I work 4-10s now, but I’m usually at work for closer to 4-12s, and I’m okay with that because I’m home Fridays. Sometimes it’s more, outages or issues and I’m at work for weekends or more. But still nothing like my hours in construction. And for significantly less money in construction. Significantly.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:01 pm to elprez00
Curious what the compensation ranges were for those that were both commercial PMs and industrial PMs?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:44 pm to ATL249
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commercial PMs
When I did in 2007-2015, salary ranged from $65k-$85k. If I was still in I probably could’ve gotten $100-$110 now with 15+ years. This is in south LA.
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industrial PMs
Where I’m at, $85k-$110k. Senior guys can get up to $135k range. Contract PMs can make more, but employment isn’t guaranteed. That’s pretty standard for industrial/utility across the industry.
Again, pros and cons. I miss building. I miss being able to go out and just do things. I’m also not in project management anymore, I’m in management.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:35 am to kingbob
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Commercial is a massive paycut from industrial, but tends to compensate with better hours and a much more stable work environment.
And drug no random drug test is why it pays substantially lower too.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:54 am to elprez00
Is that total comp including bonus and vehicle per diem or just salary?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:48 am to baseballmind1212
That's good money for a sup on the size work you're mentioning, but damn thats alot of hours every week. You're grinding it out!
If you hit the road for a large company on large work you can expect that plus perdiem($6-900/week)
If you hit the road for a large company on large work you can expect that plus perdiem($6-900/week)
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:50 am to elprez00
I'm in Houston.
4 years out of school. I was given a lot of responsibility early on and carried my weight so they compensated me accordingly.
To the guy asking about pay ranges for commercial PMs, I know my company's range is 90-110 base with 650/month car allowance for run of the mill 5 year PMs.
I'm sure the guys with 10+ years or guys who have an impressive project list could wiggle their way into more money.
4 years out of school. I was given a lot of responsibility early on and carried my weight so they compensated me accordingly.
To the guy asking about pay ranges for commercial PMs, I know my company's range is 90-110 base with 650/month car allowance for run of the mill 5 year PMs.
I'm sure the guys with 10+ years or guys who have an impressive project list could wiggle their way into more money.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:55 am to southside
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southside
Yea, I'm young and I like to think I'm dependable. That means I get the shitty projects, which inevitably means shitty hours. My last two projects have been shite shows where they fired the original superintendent. I got put on cleanup duty.
I try not to complain too much, I'm only 28.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:11 pm to southside
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and Major Industrial($7MMM).
Umm. You mess as mean 700? 7 isn’t major
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:30 pm to Tshiz
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Umm. You mess as mean 700? 7 isn’t major
I meant $7MMM, just as I typed it. Which is 7 Billion Dollars, or 7 thousand million dollars, however you care to read it. Which is major/mega.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:16 pm to baseballmind1212
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To the guy asking about pay ranges for commercial PMs, I know my company's range is 90-110 base with 650/month car allowance for run of the mill 5 year PMs.
I’m general counsel at a civil construction company in Louisiana. This is close to our pay scale (car included) for PMs at the same stage in their career.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 6:02 pm to theOG
What are their bonus opportunities?
For those who are industrial PM’s, does that mean like Bechtel, Shaw, Fluor, etc?
For those who are industrial PM’s, does that mean like Bechtel, Shaw, Fluor, etc?
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:36 am to ATL249
there are tons of smaller industrial GCs and specialty trade contractors in the area, you don’t have to work for one of the mega corps. Good money (really good money) to be made at the right company with the right customers, especially if you can gain a partnership or % interest
I’d be looking at those kinds of companies that might be willing to let someone buy in if they bring customers
I’d be looking at those kinds of companies that might be willing to let someone buy in if they bring customers
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:02 pm to Tigerb869
OP, if you’re just burned out from the travel there are options that don’t require a very drastic career change. The two that come to my mind immediately are:
1. E&C firms that have more of an engineering/reimbursable focus. Specifically the ones that do a lot of scope development work for small to medium projects. A lot of these companies need PM’s with construction knowledge but they don’t necessarily need those PM’s to actually manage construction. And when they do, it’s often small, local projects.
The best example I can think of is a company like Hargrove, who does quite a bit of scope development work for local plants out of their BR office. From what I have gathered, these guys are mostly home every night and they don’t have to deal with the stress of managing large construction projects. That said, I’m not sure what your exact background is. Most of the PM’s I’ve met at these firms are engineers.
2. Manufacturers that have E&C services arms. Think tank fabricators, skid manufacturers, analyzer manufacturers/integrators, etc.
These guys usually manage multiple projects at a time, and they don’t spend a ton of time in the field because the field portion of those jobs doesn’t last too long.
1. E&C firms that have more of an engineering/reimbursable focus. Specifically the ones that do a lot of scope development work for small to medium projects. A lot of these companies need PM’s with construction knowledge but they don’t necessarily need those PM’s to actually manage construction. And when they do, it’s often small, local projects.
The best example I can think of is a company like Hargrove, who does quite a bit of scope development work for local plants out of their BR office. From what I have gathered, these guys are mostly home every night and they don’t have to deal with the stress of managing large construction projects. That said, I’m not sure what your exact background is. Most of the PM’s I’ve met at these firms are engineers.
2. Manufacturers that have E&C services arms. Think tank fabricators, skid manufacturers, analyzer manufacturers/integrators, etc.
These guys usually manage multiple projects at a time, and they don’t spend a ton of time in the field because the field portion of those jobs doesn’t last too long.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 1:44 pm to kingbob
You in BR? They just opened a similar job to mine
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