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What was once a cineaste, film-loving community has been co-opted by corporations

Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63561 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:04 pm
and turned into a community absorbed with discussing comic book minutia--essentially well-made McDonald's hamburgers--instead of the next Scorsese movie (screenwriter/director Boaz Yakin, March 2021).

This was an interesting sentiment I paraphrased from a Boaz Yakin interview on Alex Ferrari's Independent Film Hustle Podcast.

I'm genuinely interested in a board discussion about this because it's been a noticeable audience paradigm shift over recent years that I, too, have found difficult to explain. Classic "get off my lawn" moment or a more complex shift in the fabric of society?
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37417 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:12 pm to
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I'm genuinely interested in a board discussion about this because it's been a noticeable audience paradigm shift over recent years that I, too, have found difficult to explain. Classic "get off my lawn" moment or a more complex shift in the fabric of society?



There are probably lots of reasons. Using the board as an example.

I think for a lot of the old timers on this board - we already all joke about our common loves, or "the thing everyone knows "x poster" love more than others," that there's just nothing left to talk about.

I can only tell you guys so many times that Throne of Blood is a massive artistic achievement, and about as perfect example of an adaptation as you can get.

We all know where each other stands on Seven Samurai, TGTBTU, THe Godfather etc. There's not much new ground to cover there.

And I won't say that modern film is bad, but I think a lot of people have gone different directions. Only a few people shared my love of modern horror classics like You're Next or The Invitation. While I've kind of waned on most foreign film that isn't Korean, when I used to watch anything and everything foreign.


ETA two other things:

1. The board moves too fast and too many people ransack it with the same crap. 6 years ago - We never had a "Rotten Tomatoes thread," but now it's a thing, so during the summer, when films were released, there's at least 3 at all times.

Then throw in people who make posts for every single piece of news, yeah you know who you are, and it just quiets all other topics.

2nd - Too much Content and the popularity of TV. I find TV to be a bit more divisive than film. Again, 6 years ago there would have never been a reality TV thread on this board, and again there's usually 1 or 2 at all times.

This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 3:16 pm
Posted by DaleGribble
Bend, OR
Member since Sep 2014
6821 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:30 pm to
Movies, music, and pop culture, in general, have sucked arse in the 21st Century.

And, at least as far as films go, catering to the crowd that eats up every single comic book film that's released on what seems like a weekly basis, is a big reason why. Throw in a lack of original ideas and prioritizing things like virtue signaling, political correctness, and cookie cutter "diversity" in casting and it's no wonder that quality films are pretty much non existent in the last 20 years.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50784 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:42 pm to
I think it's pretty simple. People post about what interests them. Less people are interested in great cinema. Most people just want mindless entertainment (myself included).
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6780 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:25 am to
Carson abandoned his role as board critic.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
1982 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:39 am to
Is it already time for the weekly "shite on current movies, back in my day everything was amazing" thread?

I remember reading about how westerns were going to kill cinema because it was all Hollywood would make. Or monster movies, you know, the original shared universe no one ever talks about.

Let's be honest here, at no point was Hollywood some haven for high art. It is an industry that's goal is to make as much money as possible and to be propaganda for certain ideas/groups. That was true in the 50's and it's true now. A lot of this classic films were not well received at the time and picked up wider appeal later. Hell Citizen Kane did poorly Taxi Driver was the 17th highest grossing film of 1976, despite the fact that we would recognize it as one of the best films of that year. Fight Club flopped.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6606 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:46 am to
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turned into a community absorbed with discussing comic book minutia--essentially well-made McDonald's hamburger
The Tigerdroppings M/TV Board has turned into a community absorbed with discussing which poster has the right to start the weekly thread about the latest episode of McDonalds hamburger.
Posted by smokeswithwolves
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
2127 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:48 pm to
Film culture may have grown increasingly niche oriented in the internet age, but it’s not necessarily less fertile. Cinephilia is not a hegemonic position. For instance, you may consider Scorsese/Marvel an opposition, but from my standpoint it’s merely two facets of the mainstream American cinema. I once spoke to Jonathan Rosenbaum about this. He’s an American film critic who was based in Paris in the early 70s as the French correspondent for Sight & Sound. He said you might cover a film at a festival and go months before meeting someone you could discuss it with, but today you walk out of the latest Pedro Costa and there are a hundred people already discussing it online. He saw this as an undeniable improvement over a time and place so fetishized for its film culture that Bertolucci made a film depicting it (The Dreamers).

Cinephilia has always been fixated with its own demise. In the teens theorists claimed it would never graduate circus act. In the 30s sound was the end of ‘pure’ cinema. In the 40s it was television. In the 50s it was the collapse of the studio system. In the 80s, reactionary politics. Then came the digital cinema and the decline of theatrical distribution. Do you know what, in 1895, Louis Lumière, the inventor of the motion picture camera, said about his invention? “An invention without a future.”

As we speak, arguably the most prestigious film festival in the world is taking place (Cannes). Every day I can listen to several hours worth of podcasts’ coverage of the previous day’s screenings. I participate in a discussion about the festival on another forum that is many pages long with a fraction of the traffic of TigerDroppings. One is only limited by one’s curiosity. A lot of interesting films are made today. Much of the great cinema from the previous 100 years is available at your fingertips. What is important is how one orients themself to this proliferation; if you allow market forces to limit your horizons things will look grim indeed. Embrace the niche, stay curious.

In the 50s, the great French film theorist André Bazin responded to the hysterical polemics about CinemaScope that were taking place (the digital cinema hot takes of their day) by invoking the Lumière quote. He claimed that with each technical change the cinema was only moving toward its invention. The cinema is a nascent artform and its continual ‘death’ and rebirth is a symptom of its fecundity.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67216 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 4:19 pm to
Hollywood doesn’t make a lot of variety these days, and the golden age of cable tv is over. In the streaming age, we have tons of pulp series that rarely last beyond 2 seasons and lots of completely terrible bulk movies on the streaming services while cable networks are content with maybe 1 or 2 original dramas and tons of reruns of reality tv shows.

As for the box office, the variety of movies has plummeted from 10 years ago, as has the quality. There’s basically just oscar bait, low-budget horror, cgi kids movies, and tent-pole super hero franchise/fast &furious movies left. There’s more content than ever before, but a stunning lack of quality content when compared to even just 5 years ago.

With movie theaters finally starting to see crowds again and tv series production back up and running, it seems things are starting to pick up from 2020’s essential pause in cinema. However, it seems like politics are driving a creative crunch that has caused major stagnation in Hollywood.

If you’re a comedy fan, you’re basically going to die of thirst in the desert because Hollywood has essentially abandoned the format. Rom coms? Basically gone too. If you want to laugh or see action, you have to settle for a cgi animated kids movie or hope the comic book movie has lots of pithy one-liners.

As for tv series, binge watching has made online discussions much worse. People watch a whole season of a show in a sitting, and post spoilers immediately. The good side of a weekly episode release is that most people are on the same page and can discuss the events of the series as they happen. Each episode has room to breathe and be analyzed. I think this has helped the cultural significance of Disney + series like The Mandalorian, Wanda/Vision, and Loki, allowing them to get the same weekly water-cooler discussions as Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad back in their day. At the same time, the binge watch model may have hurt shows like the Witcher and Cobra Kai, but as long as they keep making episodes, I’ll be happy.

I just want more comedy, and hollywood seems deadset against giving me any. Why can’t someone still make hilarious movies like Talladega Nights, Head of State, Blue Streak, Rush Hour, Wedding Crashers, Grosse Point Blank, Tropic Thunder, Your Highness, Easy A, Mean Girls, Superbad, etc. This stuff isn’t rocket science.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
9972 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:46 pm to
It was inevitable like OCP from Robo cop, only instead of going that vulgar and satire, you are force to watch things that are "good for you."
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