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LSU Student Paper Op/Ed: University should have investigated Orgeron months ago

Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:46 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:46 am
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An amended Title IX lawsuit puts legal force behind deeply disturbing allegations of a rape cover-up a USA TODAY investigation detailed almost a year ago.

Former university student Ashlyn Roberts, who was anonymous in the original news publishing of her story in August, says her then-boyfriend, a football player, informed Head Coach Ed Orgeron that running back Derrius Gucie raped her, and that, instead of fulfilling his legal and moral obligation to report the case to the Title IX Office, Orgeron simply told the boyfriend not to worry because “everybody's girlfriend sleeps with other people.”

When this story became public, Orgeron released a statement saying “I have complied – and I will continue to comply – with all Title IX protocols and procedures” and claimed that the quote was “not accurate.”

Then, just like that, the university moved on. Serious, public allegations had emerged claiming that its head football coach covered up a rape report against a star football player, and university officials, at least externally, threw the problem out with the news cycle.

Though that’s unsurprising in the context of the university’s culture around sexual violence, let’s be perfectly clear: nothing about that should be considered normal or acceptable. A reasonable institution – one that values integrity and student safety – would have suspended Orgeron from coaching duties until it could conduct a thorough, independent investigation into the allegations made against him. But this university shows time and time again that its decision-making is instead led by the ever-higher forces of football, fame and fortune.

And still, additional allegations against Orgeron revealed in the Husch Blackwell report were not enough to prompt action from the university. In 2017, 74-year old Superdome worker Gloria Scott says that Guice sexually harassed her in an incident so degrading she said, “I might not never get over this until I die.” Scott says she told several administrators and Orgeron, but that no action was ever taken against Guice. Orgeron told investigators that he never spoke with Scott, a claim refuted by both Scott and her granddaughter.

Ultimately only two things can explain the university’s public blindness to these accusations.

The first is that university officials don’t believe these women are credible, an explanation that would say something disturbing about the culture of the university and its athletics department. This ignorant denial of even a possibility of wrongdoing by Orgeron would be deeply negligent, especially considering the amount of corroboration both these women have.

The second – and, in my view, much more likely – is that they think the claims are credible and simply don’t care. The allegations are viewed not as a concerning insight into the character of Orgeron, but rather an inconvenient public relations problem, much like the rest of this year’s Title IX scandal.

The same administrators and board members that sat idly by while claims that one of our university’s most powerful men covered up a rape allegation made against a football player want you to believe that everyone involved in the years of Title IX abuses at this institution are long gone.

When these officials speak of change, how can students possibly believe them? Their failure to investigate Orgeron alone proves the disingenuous reality of their proclamations. Though they can feign outrage over Title IX problems they’ve known about for years, the leaders of this university ultimately suffer from the same lack of courage and competence they so condemn in their predecessors.

Orgeron is a celebrity in Baton Rouge and adored by the loyal fanbase of the LSU Tigers that he gave a National Championship Title to in 2019. But, far more importantly, he has been credibly accused of covering up rape and sexual harassment allegations made against one of his players.

The question of Orgeron’s conduct poses a simple dilemma to the university: football or students.

It seems they’ve made their choice.

Claire Sullivan is an 18-year-old coastal environmental science sophomore from Southbury, Connecticut.


LINK

This was published just yesterday.

With the new LSU President, is Orgeron’s seat a bit warmer if the team underperforms (less than 9 regular season wins) and stuff like this is still in the background come November/December?
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 7:48 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:50 am to
List of Claire Sullivan’s articles.

I disagree with everything this woman has to say
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23722 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:00 am to
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st of Claire Sullivan’s articles.

I disagree with everything this woman has to say



Good lord. She wants to eliminate cash bail in Baton Rouge and revoke Exxon’s tax breaks.

Those two things alone would send Baton Rouge farther off the cliff basically by themselves. Baton Rouge isn’t the best but it does have good qualities. A lot of good people make homes there. It also has a massive crime problem and a pretty bad economic diversity problem.

Cash bail putting more criminals on the streets in a city that already has tons of criminals on the streets and cutting probably the biggest economic driver in the areas tax breaks to where they’ll flee to Houston or somewhere else would destroy Baton Rouge.

This is an ideologue who has absolutely zero care or understanding for what the real world implications would be if she got what she wanted. All she knows is the rhetoric and has zero understanding of cause and effect.

How many of the very people she claims to care about would be devastated if Exxon left BR? Or if crime in their neighborhoods intensified even further with the elimination of cash bail?

ETA: looks like she’s a freshman from Connecticut who likely hasn’t ever traveled off campus except to go to Reggie’s or maybe the Chimes. She knows nothing of Baton Rouge and it’s people I’d venture to guess nor is she actually interested in finding out. Looks like LSU is taking the Alabama route and trying to pump more out of state students in for that extra cash.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 9:17 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27185 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:00 am to
Well yeah…I had no doubt about her leanings.

I do wonder, though, if President Tate is going to have a more anti-Orgeron attitude than the previous university administration should stuff like this just keep popping up. Had seemed to have quieted down for a bit, and I would have thought this opinion piece would have been published a couple months ago, not as recent as yesterday.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27185 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:02 am to
quote:

This is an ideologue who has absolutely zero care or understanding for what the real world implications would be if she got what she wanted. All she knows is the rhetoric and has zero understanding of cause and effect.

How many of the very people she claims to care about would be devastated if Exxon left BR? Or if crime in their neighborhoods intensified even further with the elimination of cash bail?


18/19 year old college kids rarely think about those things, and now it’s likely even worse when they can read Mother Jones and Greenpeace nut BS with a simple click of their smart phone…made from petroleum by-products.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4564 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:03 am to
College students might be the dumbest people in America. Others have had to learn through hard lessons or life experiences. College students today operate in a fantasy land of ideas with zero concept of reality.

Yes I’m a college graduate, but jeez these kids today are clueless
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41165 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:09 am to
Here’s the thing, over the past year virtually no new incidents popped up and barely any new details. The most recent USA Today article? No new information from the time frame any of this occurred, they basically republished last years allegations while mentioning Orgeron is now in the suit too.

Same thing with the reveille articles and what this woman is harping on. She has a progressive axe to grind and the progressives at LSU have ALWAYS hated football on campus. She’s writing this article to get clicks and get justification for her continued spot at the campus newspaper.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75791 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:11 am to
Was Orgeron investigated in the Husch Blackwell thing?

I'm not really a fan or Orgeron, but none of this shite is new information, so to keep trotting it out there and escalating it in hopes of a new outcome is complete bullshite.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41165 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:12 am to
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so to keep trotting it out there and escalating it in hopes of a new outcome is complete bullshite.


This is what LSU fans are getting sick and tired of from the national sports media and now apparently the local school paper as well
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464606 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:13 am to
can't wait to hear her opinion on the dress code at Reggie's
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464606 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:15 am to
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I'm not really a fan or Orgeron, but none of this shite is new information, so to keep trotting it out there and escalating it in hopes of a new outcome is complete bullshite.

yeah I don't think people would accuse me of being a big O fan, but his association with this is very loose

the best "gotcha" doesn't even involve a student (the incident with the elderly lady and Guice)
Posted by bricksandstones
Member since Nov 2015
1712 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:21 am to
Why even come all the way from Connecticut to go to a big Southern football school in a heavy oil and gas state just to write articles condemning all those things? It's like these people put themselves in a situation to feel miserable just so they'll have some crusade to go on.
Posted by Jax Teller
Member since Aug 2018
4499 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:22 am to
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With the new LSU President, is Orgeron’s seat a bit warmer if the team underperforms (less than 9 regular season wins) and stuff like this is still in the background come November/December?



This is the problem with LSU (and the fanbase) in general. Who gives a shite about their record if you have an environment that is rotten and unsafe towards female students? LSU needs to be reformed in a big way and it should have nothing to do with the record of the team.

Can we separate these things and be honest that LSU needs to fix itself? It's apparent that they have a big problem. Each case is unique obviously, but you have a serious pattern of events that deserves to be addressed.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75791 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:24 am to
quote:

It's apparent that they have a big problem.


Does LSU have a big problem, or did LSU have a big problem?
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7974 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:25 am to
another useless journalism student without any real world experience and perspective

Sigh
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49525 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:30 am to
What else does LSU need to do?
Posted by Jax Teller
Member since Aug 2018
4499 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Does LSU have a big problem, or did LSU have a big problem?


A lot of the same people are still here. I don't know. Do they? Putting your head in the sand because you want the team to win doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed. These things are mutually exclusive. And LSU has not shown it is good at handling its business when it comes to these Title IX issues obviously.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
17117 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Does LSU have a big problem, or did LSU have a big problem?


The NCAA is about to let us all know that answer.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41165 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:38 am to
quote:

A lot of the same people are still here. I don't know. Do they? Putting your head in the sand because you want the team to win doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed. These things are mutually exclusive. And LSU has not shown it is good at handling its business when it comes to these Title IX issues obviously.


HC, AD, University President are all gone.

Yes the members of the athletic department that should have been fired weren’t and that’s a huge mistake that should be made right. But we know why they weren’t fired.
Posted by Geaux Piggins Geaux
Member since Aug 2015
954 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 11:03 am to
This particular allegation always confuses me timeline wise. Wasn't this issue already reported to police and the title IX office before the ex player talked to O? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if there was an investigation already going on for Guice with it reported to police wouldn't it already be taken care of?
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