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re: Colorado: If you don’t disclose job opening expected salary…..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm to Kujo
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm to Kujo
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So, do you think they would need to pass the law if everybody agreed to it? There were people who were opposed to it at the time right?
Everybody was pro desegregation in the '60s?
Everybody was pro ADA in the '80s?
What's your point? All of these were passed for legitimate reasons (discrimination, unsafe work practices, etc.). What is the legitimate reason for this--so people don't get their feelings hurt when they get offered a lower salary than they were hoping for? What is so bad about a company not advertising salary bands that the government has to step in and regulate it?
It keeps getting mentioned that this somehow resolved the issue of people not knowing what a position should pay in a particular area. No it doesn't. It only tells you what that company will pay. Maybe it's lower than other companies in the area, but unless they are all advertising for the same position at the same time, there is no way to know that.
If Company A advertises a job right now for $75k and fills the position, then Company B advertises a similar position for $60k, is Company B bad? Maybe Company B isn't as big and can't afford to pay $75k for that position. But all of a sudden, the expectation is that they will pay the same, because it's a similar position.
Now reverse it--did Company A overpay by hiring someone at $75k for that position?
Both were required to advertise the Salary for the position, but the position is not the only factor in setting the salary. Do they have to disclose everything else about the company now to justify the lower salary?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:39 pm
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:39 pm to Epic Cajun
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only gone up from there
People seem to think that just because they've overcome an obstacle, we should leave it for other people.
I applaud people who do not change their opinion based on a change of their situation.
"Protect my ability to dupe an individual into working for less than he/she could if information was available to them"
It's a public service to require it.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:42 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The frivolous laws that people want passed today are ruining this country
Entitled people think they are owed everything. People who want to force the government to list wages, are entitled, big government progressives and are incapable of doing the required groundwork to benefit themselves..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You're wrong, but okay
People who want to force the government to list wages, are entitled, big government progressives and are incapable of doing the required groundwork to benefit themselves..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:46 pm to Cowboyfan89
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If Company A advertises a job right now for $75k and fills the position, then Company B advertises a similar position for $60k, is Company B bad? Maybe Company B isn't as big and can't afford to pay $75k for that position
No they're just being honest. I'm not saying they have to pay more or less, That's their business model.
75K position could have slightly different attributes even though it's a similar type of position. It's not good or bad.
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Desegregation
It was believed at the time that black and white should be separate but equal.
Of course this issue isn't comparable in dynamic, but it's kind of similarly split in acceptance (they shouldn't be required to).
The idea is that enough people believe that this policy adversely affects minorities... Similar to separate schools.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:50 pm to Epic Cajun
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You're wrong
No one can claim to want to force employers to post wages for an initial job posting and claim to be "small government."
This is a classic case of "do gooders" thinking their inconvenience should cause everyone else to be penalized.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:51 pm to Kujo
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It's a public service to require it.
Its a public service to force $30/hour wage
Its a public service to force employers to feed you lunch.
Its a public service to force employers to let you work from home.
Its a public service to keep employers from terminating any employee..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Public service.... it's going to rain tomorrow
Not public service.... Have an umbrella or we shoot you in the head.
Not public service.... Have an umbrella or we shoot you in the head.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Unless you have devious plans, revealing the salary band for a given position should not be a penalty.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:59 pm to Epic Cajun
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revealing the salary band for a given position should not be a penalty.
Unless you have devious plans, you should submit a daily calendar to the government detailing all your moves for the day. They must be aware of everything you do.
As a public service.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:00 pm to Epic Cajun
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Unless you have devious plans, revealing the salary band for a given position should not be a penalty.
More of an argument is if it causes larger companies to always 'one up' competition.
Many Small companies/businesses are propped up on employees who could make more elsewhere. With more transparency those employees are less likely to stay, as they can see over the information fence to the greener grass.
They typically don't want to post because they're embarrassed. If you know your company pays more you would advertise it as it's a selling point to bring in better talent.
I've never been pleasantly surprised by answering a job that didn't post salary.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Unless you have devious plans, you should submit a daily calendar to the government detailing all your moves for the day. They must be aware of everything you do.
As a public service.
You are a loon
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:05 pm to Kujo
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The idea is that enough people believe that this policy adversely affects minorities... Similar to separate schools.
And advertising a salary band somehow fixes that? They could still very easily offer a minority the lower end of the band and a white the middle of the band.
How anyone thinks this solves anything is unfathomable.
If a company wants to hire someone at $60k, they can just advertise it at $60k. And like you said
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they're just being honest.
Hell, if anything, this could go the opposite direction. Now, if Company A goes to advertise that position after Company B, they can just advertise their position at $60k instead of $75k.
But, they advertised the salary they are offering, so everyone's cool with that, right?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:06 pm to ColoradoAg03
This is a terrible idea.
Most jobs are paid via experience. If they listed starting pay, I dont see the issue with that as that can always be negotiated higher.
Most jobs are paid via experience. If they listed starting pay, I dont see the issue with that as that can always be negotiated higher.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:07 pm to Kujo
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More of an argument is if it causes larger companies to always 'one up' competition.
Many Small companies/businesses are propped up on employees who could make more elsewhere. With more transparency those employees are less likely to stay, as they can see over the information fence to the greener grass.
Yep, and small business suffer because of it.
Brilliant strategy.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:14 pm to Cowboyfan89
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And advertising a salary band somehow fixes that?
Nope, you'll find that nothing fixes every problem, But should we just stop trying?
Some companies have resorted to removing college information from resumes, as there are biases towards schools. Harvard versus LSU versus Princeton versus Yale versus Southern... Pick 3 to bring in.
They're trying creative ways to remove biases on people. I got into Duke on a half scholarship, but at 17 I didn't want to get into debt...and took a full ride scholarship to LSU instead. Dumb move in hindsight, but why was it a dumb move? Duke provides more alumni support job placements and has stats to prove that their alumni do better.
Do you think people should be biased against LSU graduates in favor of 100 hundreds of other schools ahead of them?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
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small business suffer because of it.
Because employees won't subsidize the business owner?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:27 pm to schexyoung
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ew hires are often paid more than current employees with years at the company in the same position. They don’t want existing employees seeing those numbers.
Yup. And a lot of employers frown upon employees discussing salary for this reason.
I was at a job where the guy I trained was making more money than me. When I found out, I approached my DM. When he said there wasn't much he could do for me, I said "Fair enough. Consider this my two weeks notice."
Miraculously, I got a raise a week later.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:45 pm to Kujo
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Some companies have resorted to removing college information from resumes, as there are biases towards schools. Harvard versus LSU versus Princeton versus Yale versus Southern... Pick 3 to bring in.
They're trying creative ways to remove biases on people. I got into Duke on a half scholarship, but at 17 I didn't want to get into debt...and took a full ride scholarship to LSU instead. Dumb move in hindsight, but why was it a dumb move? Duke provides more alumni support job placements and has stats to prove that their alumni do better.
Do you think people should be biased against LSU graduates in favor of 100 hundreds of other schools ahead of them?
Do you think the government should prevent businesses from comparing colleges when they review applicants? Do you think an LSU MBA should be equivalent to a Wharton or Stanford MBA?
I don’t know about “100 hundreds” of other schools, but the reality is that in most fields there are a lot of better schools than LSU. I say this as an LSU grad.
The assertion that “some companies” have tried removing this “bias” from their hiring process does not mean we need the government to mandate it. Nor does it mean that removing this “bias” is even inherently good. If it turns out to result in better employees, then those companies will have a competitive advantage and the practice will catch on.
This, like many of your other nonsensical ramblings in this thread, is a solution in search of a problem.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:39 pm to Kujo
That’s great and valuable, but until you are responsible for budgets, dealing with HR and the BOD, you won’t fully appreciate the nuances of the OP.
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