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Shakespeare in Love
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:54 pm
Smh.
To all who agree it deserved the Oscar
To all who agree it deserved the Oscar
5
Posted on 6/6/21 at 9:19 pm to Jyrdis
And that Roberto Begnini win best actor over hanks is a another travesty.
I watched life is beautiful and that movie was trash. I hated it
I watched life is beautiful and that movie was trash. I hated it
Posted on 6/6/21 at 9:19 pm to Jyrdis
Shakespeare in Love shouldn't have won but Saving Private Ryan is a pretty mediocre war flick (other than the D-Day scene, my god).
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:04 pm to atomic31
Saving Private Ryan is great at the start, dull during the middle, and pretty good though kind of cliche at the end. The group of soldiers blend together far too much to get attached to many of them which is an issue IMO. It's best aspect by far is the visceral way the war scenes were done but I think their greatness actually amplifies how very average the rest of the film's parts are.
The Thin Red Line was a superior overall war movie to SPR IMO but is a little too philosophical for it's own good and is rather depressing. It's certainly not a movie that's going to make you go "frick yeah Merica" by the end which is probably a turn off for some. Also, I fully recognize that Malick is very hit or miss with people and there are some parts that feel disjointed.
Elizabeth is an extremely well done period piece that is well acted but in the end doesn't really do anything all that special w/the genre. Incredible costumes but if you aren't into British history it can be a bit of a drag. Then again, if you are a history buff the glaring historical errors may pull you right out of the movie.
Life is Beautiful is probably the most polarizing movie of the group but is very effective at what it's going for. While it's nice that they left the child's innocence intact at the end I feel that sort of takes away from all the horrors the father was trying to shield his son from. I dunno. It just felt a little odd to me. Then again I felt like I was punched in the stomach during Jojo Rabbit when his innocence is shattered so I can't complain too much that they didn't want me to feel like shite at the end of the movie.
Shakespeare in Love is a legitimately great rom com/period piece that does a very good job at being a modern take on Shakespearean tropes. It's very funny in parts, is well acted, has a well defined plot, and does an excellent job of dropping in various references to Shakespeare's various plays. Probably the only part one could really criticize is the ending w/the Queen being a little unrealistic though the the Queen's reveal does play into the Shakespearean comedic trope of a character in disguise revealing themselves at the play's end. I also like that the movie doesn't fall into the trap of giving the cliche Hollywood happy ending instead opting for a more bittersweet, though ultimately upbeat, finish.
Is SIL as gut wrenching as the 3 WW2 movies? No. Does it match the period piece spectacle of Elizabeth? No.
However, it being the most consistent movie of the bunch, actually leaving you with a smile on your face, and it's ability to emphasize the oft ignored comedic parts of Romeo and Juliet are likely what put it over the top of the field from that year.
It's kind of funny that this board loves to shite on SIL when it simultaneously decries how incredibly fricking depressing award nominees have become in recent years. IMO it would be really nice if more feel good comedies were nominated for best picture.
The Thin Red Line was a superior overall war movie to SPR IMO but is a little too philosophical for it's own good and is rather depressing. It's certainly not a movie that's going to make you go "frick yeah Merica" by the end which is probably a turn off for some. Also, I fully recognize that Malick is very hit or miss with people and there are some parts that feel disjointed.
Elizabeth is an extremely well done period piece that is well acted but in the end doesn't really do anything all that special w/the genre. Incredible costumes but if you aren't into British history it can be a bit of a drag. Then again, if you are a history buff the glaring historical errors may pull you right out of the movie.
Life is Beautiful is probably the most polarizing movie of the group but is very effective at what it's going for. While it's nice that they left the child's innocence intact at the end I feel that sort of takes away from all the horrors the father was trying to shield his son from. I dunno. It just felt a little odd to me. Then again I felt like I was punched in the stomach during Jojo Rabbit when his innocence is shattered so I can't complain too much that they didn't want me to feel like shite at the end of the movie.
Shakespeare in Love is a legitimately great rom com/period piece that does a very good job at being a modern take on Shakespearean tropes. It's very funny in parts, is well acted, has a well defined plot, and does an excellent job of dropping in various references to Shakespeare's various plays. Probably the only part one could really criticize is the ending w/the Queen being a little unrealistic though the the Queen's reveal does play into the Shakespearean comedic trope of a character in disguise revealing themselves at the play's end. I also like that the movie doesn't fall into the trap of giving the cliche Hollywood happy ending instead opting for a more bittersweet, though ultimately upbeat, finish.
Is SIL as gut wrenching as the 3 WW2 movies? No. Does it match the period piece spectacle of Elizabeth? No.
However, it being the most consistent movie of the bunch, actually leaving you with a smile on your face, and it's ability to emphasize the oft ignored comedic parts of Romeo and Juliet are likely what put it over the top of the field from that year.
It's kind of funny that this board loves to shite on SIL when it simultaneously decries how incredibly fricking depressing award nominees have become in recent years. IMO it would be really nice if more feel good comedies were nominated for best picture.
This post was edited on 6/6/21 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:39 pm to Jyrdis
quote:
Shakespeare in Love
Smh.
To all who agree it deserved the Oscar
Shakespeare in Love is a lot smarter than you give it credit for.
Stop ignoring 3/4 of SPR - which for the most part is extremely mediocre film making.
SiL is a unique one of kind film with a solid payoff, a great look at the creative process, and super playful with history's most important artist.
SPR is a great rendition of Normandy..... and not much else.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:39 pm to Dr RC
quote:Boom.
Shakespeare in Love is a legitimately great rom com/period piece that does a very good job at being a modern take on Shakespearean tropes. It's very funny in parts, is well acted, has a well defined plot, and does an excellent job of dropping in various references to Shakespeare's various plays. Probably the only part one could really criticize is the ending w/the Queen being a little unrealistic though the the Queen's reveal does play into the Shakespearean comedic trope of a character in disguise revealing themselves at the play's end. I also like that the movie doesn't fall into the trap of giving the cliche Hollywood happy ending instead opting for a more bittersweet, though ultimately upbeat, finish.
Is SIL as gut wrenching as the 3 WW2 movies? No. Does it match the period piece spectacle of Elizabeth? No.
However, it being the most consistent movie of the bunch, actually leaving you with a smile on your face, and it's ability to emphasize the oft ignored comedic parts of Romeo and Juliet are likely what put it over the top of the field from that year.
It's kind of funny that this board loves to shite on SIL when it simultaneously decries how incredibly fricking depressing award nominees have become in recent years. IMO it would be really nice if more feel good comedies were nominated for best picture.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 12:33 am to Lawyered
quote:
I watched life is beautiful and that movie was trash. I hated it
One of the most trash movies of all time. I am dumbfounded by the amount of people who think this horrible movie is actually worth a frick.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:27 am to Jyrdis
I love Saving Private Ryan. But I also love Shakespeare in Love. The latter is a popcorn flick featuring clever writing, solid acting, and good humor. The former is a seminal war film that gets unjustly shite on for its "boring and cliched" middle act.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 5:47 am to Jyrdis
It also has not aged well. I enjoyed it when it was first released. I tried to revisit it last year, and it was difficult to get through.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 8:50 am to Dr RC
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Dr RC
Nice breakdown, I would choose The Thin Red Line of the actual nominees.
Now do a serious breakdown of a new slate of movies that views popcorn watchability as a plus and not a disqualification
New 1998 Best Picture noms:
The Wedding Singer
The Big Lebowski
The Truman Show
Pleasantville
The Prince of Egypt
Posted on 6/7/21 at 9:31 am to Muthsera
It probably would have been better to have someone else other than Harrison Ford have to read that Shakespeare in Love beat a Steven Spielberg film for best picture...just saying.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 12:07 pm to Michael T. Tiger
The problem with SIL winning is more about how it won. It didn’t have a chance other than Harvey Weinstein basically buying votes for it to win. The backlash was so egregious that the Academy shortened the time between nominations and the ceremony to prevent that type of campaigning.
And SPR was a much stronger experience in the theater than SIL. You jump at every gunshot which makes the middle and ending thrilling. I guarantee most of the guys commenting on here were too young to have seen it in the theater.
It was more of a cultural phenomenon as well. WWII vets talked about how realistic it was and the film literally changed the genre. I watched a vet literally have to brace himself against the wall as he was walking out of theater he was so overcome with emotion. Its plot and characters are more accessible and likeable than The Thin Red Line and spawned Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Letters From Iwo Jima, and Flags of Our Fathers.
For the record, Edward Norton should have won Actor for American History X over Begnini.
And SPR was a much stronger experience in the theater than SIL. You jump at every gunshot which makes the middle and ending thrilling. I guarantee most of the guys commenting on here were too young to have seen it in the theater.
It was more of a cultural phenomenon as well. WWII vets talked about how realistic it was and the film literally changed the genre. I watched a vet literally have to brace himself against the wall as he was walking out of theater he was so overcome with emotion. Its plot and characters are more accessible and likeable than The Thin Red Line and spawned Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Letters From Iwo Jima, and Flags of Our Fathers.
For the record, Edward Norton should have won Actor for American History X over Begnini.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 12:43 pm to Muthsera
quote:
Now do a serious breakdown of a new slate of movies that views popcorn watchability as a plus and not a disqualification
New 1998 Best Picture noms:
The Wedding Singer
The Big Lebowski
The Truman Show
Pleasantville
The Prince of Egypt
Yeah it's been clear The Truman Show should have won that year. Not sure it's close either.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 1:09 pm to Muthsera
quote:
I would choose The Thin Red Line of the actual nominees.
The Thin Red Line was pretentious tripe. It was also a movie about the Vietnam War that masqueraded as a World War II movie about the invasion of Guadalcanal.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:10 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Yeah it's been clear The Truman Show should have won that year. Not sure it's close either.
At a minimum, how do you not nominate Jim Carrey for Best Actor? He won the Golden Globe but wasn't nominated for the Oscar.
I thought the flick deserved a Best Picture nom and it has aged incredibly well. Not sure how I'd vote on an accurate slate of nominees.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:33 pm to RollTide1987
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The Thin Red Line was pretentious tripe. It was also a movie about the Vietnam War that masqueraded as a World War II movie about the invasion of Guadalcanal.
It wasn't about Vietnam any more than it was about Guadalcanal. It explored the battlefield in aggregate as a physical, emotional, and spiritual crucible.
quote:
pretentious
The dude was a Rhodes Scholar that graduated summa cum laude from Harvard and taught Philosophy at MIT when all those things actually meant something. He also makes deliberately personal films. Even his most ardent fans should admit that there are certain impenetrable layers to his work.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:58 pm to Muthsera
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It wasn't about Vietnam any more than it was about Guadalcanal. It explored the battlefield in aggregate as a physical, emotional, and spiritual crucible.
Which is more akin to a Vietnam War film than a World War II film. As I said...it felt more like Vietnam than it did the Second World War.
quote:
The dude was a Rhodes Scholar that graduated summa cum laude from Harvard and taught Philosophy at MIT when all those things actually meant something.
Hot damn.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:59 pm to RollTide1987
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The former is a seminal war film that gets unjustly shite on for its "boring and cliched" middle act.
i think that is the direct result of the over praise it gets but it does drag in the middle. I think SPR is a good example of the topic of the movie (the D Day invasion)is so monumental important that many can not separate that from the movie. That said i really wish it had won, even though i personally like SIL better because i think SIL gets unfairly mocked and you can never really discuss it without someone bring ing up SPR.
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