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re: Are COVID Vaccine Efficacy Rates not correct?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 12:27 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 2/18/21 at 12:27 pm to BHMKyle
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If half the country now has immunity and new cases are still accelerating at a rate that is double the United States, that's not a good sign.
Wait...you are saying new cases are accelerating? That’s untrue.
I think this is why you have reached the wrong conclusion. You are making flawed comparisons and have very wrong basic info.
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 12:28 pm to Volvagia
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Scientists have been saying this. 70% is when herd immunity BEGINS to have an effect
That’s hard to believe.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 12:32 pm to moneyg
This is essentially what you just did OP:
Athlete A:
Original Max bench-150 lbs
Works out for 2 months
New Max bench-250 lbs
Athlete B
Max Bench 300 lbs
WORKING OUT MAY NOT BE BENEFECIAL SINCE ATHLETE A benches less than Athlete B!!
Athlete A:
Original Max bench-150 lbs
Works out for 2 months
New Max bench-250 lbs
Athlete B
Max Bench 300 lbs
WORKING OUT MAY NOT BE BENEFECIAL SINCE ATHLETE A benches less than Athlete B!!
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:19 pm to Pedro
quote:
also take into account
The "tests" have been administered on vegetables, fruit, and animals, and yielded positive results.
The "tests" have given positive results after being sent off for analysis without being administered on ANYTHING.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:48 pm to BHMKyle
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I actually noted both, thank you. Try reading.
So in summation your post is:
Country where vaccine has vaccine deployed has infection rates cut in half, but it’s higher than another country on the other side of the world with every major epidemiological characteristic being different among the demographic.....so maybe vaccines don’t work?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:54 pm to BHMKyle
How many of these cases are backlogs?
The tests aren’t reported instantaneously. A lot of our “new cases” are from weeks and weeks ago
The tests aren’t reported instantaneously. A lot of our “new cases” are from weeks and weeks ago
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:20 pm to BHMKyle
UPDATE after another 2.5 weeks:
56% of Israeli citizens have been vaccinated... 42.7% fully vaccinated. Despite this...
**Israel's 7-day rolling average for new cases is 3,681 new cases/day. New cases are increasing, up 13.7% from two weeks ago. The rate of new cases is extremely high per capita... over 2.2 x the number of per capita new cases the US is experiencing right now.
**Fatalities have also increased. The 7-day average for new fatalities is 20/day, up from 17/day just yesterday.
Can someone explain how cases are exploding at these levels despite the fact that over half the country has immunity? They are very fast approaching what we've been told would be "Heard Immunity" yet new cases are still extremely high.
56% of Israeli citizens have been vaccinated... 42.7% fully vaccinated. Despite this...
**Israel's 7-day rolling average for new cases is 3,681 new cases/day. New cases are increasing, up 13.7% from two weeks ago. The rate of new cases is extremely high per capita... over 2.2 x the number of per capita new cases the US is experiencing right now.
**Fatalities have also increased. The 7-day average for new fatalities is 20/day, up from 17/day just yesterday.
Can someone explain how cases are exploding at these levels despite the fact that over half the country has immunity? They are very fast approaching what we've been told would be "Heard Immunity" yet new cases are still extremely high.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:25 pm to BHMKyle
You're still not seeing the whole picture. Vaccinated people aren't the ones testing positive. It is the rest of society that has decided this thing is over despite not getting vaccinated.
Which I'm in total agreement with.
The thing to watch is mortality rate or CFR (not total # of fatalities). That should be plummeting in the weeks ahead with all the high-risk folks getting vaccinated and should be the ONLY number anyone gives a frick about going forward.
Which I'm in total agreement with.
The thing to watch is mortality rate or CFR (not total # of fatalities). That should be plummeting in the weeks ahead with all the high-risk folks getting vaccinated and should be the ONLY number anyone gives a frick about going forward.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:27 pm to BHMKyle
And its not just Israel. The tiny island nation of the Seychelles is also now 59% vaccinated... 25.4% fully.
New cases have risen 68% in the last week... and the per capita rate of new cases is 2.9 times as many new cases as the US is currently experiencing.
New cases have risen 68% in the last week... and the per capita rate of new cases is 2.9 times as many new cases as the US is currently experiencing.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:28 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
And its not just Israel. The tiny island nation of the Seychelles is also now 59% vaccinated... 25.4% fully.
New cases have risen 68% in the last week... and the per capita rate of new cases is 2.9 times as many new cases as the US is currently experiencing.
Again - people vaccinated aren't getting it. It's the rest of society that is getting back to normal, thus spreading the virus.
It just doesn't matter if they're not dying.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:33 pm to CatfishJohn
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You're still not seeing the whole picture. Vaccinated people aren't the ones testing positive. It is the rest of society that has decided this thing is over despite not getting vaccinated.
That may be the case. But we've been told that once we reach 70% of the population vaccinated, then Heard Immunity would kick in and the virus would basically dry up. Neither Israel or the Seychelles are quite there, but they are getting very close. I would think any rational thinking person would have expecated new cases to drop off significantly once close to 60% of a country became vaccinated, but that's not at all the case. I think that is cause for concern.
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The thing to watch is mortality rate or CFR (not total # of fatalities). That should be plummeting in the weeks ahead with all the high-risk folks getting vaccinated and should be the ONLY number anyone gives a frick about going forward.
I agree. But again, Israel's fatalites have increaed this week despite several weeks now of vaccinations in which the more at risk populations were vaccinated first.
The Seychelles is a tiny little country with less than 100,000 citizens. They've only had 15 total fatalities but all of those have come since January 3rd and 50% of them have come just in the last two weeks.... all during this intense vaccine rollout in which half the nation has been vaccinated.
Again, this doesn't seem to add up to what we were told would be happening.
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:33 pm to CatfishJohn
HOW COVID-19 ‘VACCINES’ MAY DESTROY THE LIVES OF MILLIONS
I gotta play the vaccine wait and see game after watching this.
I gotta play the vaccine wait and see game after watching this.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:33 pm to CatfishJohn
Kyle, I hate to break it to you, but you probably aren’t the person that should be leading this discussion.
Even if you are somehow correct in your conclusions, your reasoning and process are quite poor.
Even if you are somehow correct in your conclusions, your reasoning and process are quite poor.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:36 pm to BHMKyle
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That may be the case. But we've been told that once we reach 70% of the population vaccinated, then Heard Immunity would kick in
We have been told no ones sure of the number and it might be a good bit higher too
Also, a country being very cautious at 40% immune could see less growth then a country at 60% where people have started licking door knobs.
Or if an outbreak happened in a small tightly packed area that’s not heavily vaccinated.
Or a variety of options you are ignoring.
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:37 pm to NoSaint
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Kyle, I hate to break it to you, but you probably aren’t the person that should be leading this discussion.
By all means, take the lead with your vast knowledge.
I'm just posting current statistics and asking questions. People don't seem to like those statistics.
Can you tell me why there have been so many new cases and fatalities as of recent in the two countries with the highest vaccination rates in the world? Please explain with your vast wisdom.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:40 pm to NoSaint
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We have been told no ones sure of the number and it might be a good bit higher too
Which is why I've been asking the question... yet you don't seem to like questions being raised.
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Also, a country being very cautious at 40% immune could see less growth then a country at 60% where people have started licking door knobs.
The US is about as wide-open of a country on the planet... yet Israel and the Seychelles both have between 2 and 3 times the number of new cases despite vaccination rates nearly 60%.
These are all statistics. Statistics that should be raising more questions.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:41 pm to BHMKyle
Doctor who mocked coronavirus vaccine refusers dies days after getting jabbed
Yep. Still gonna wait and see.
Yep. Still gonna wait and see.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:43 pm to BHMKyle
I thought I read that like 70% of the cases were Arab or Orthodox Jews, groups that have a low rate of immunization.
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