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re: The TigerDroppings.com Preseason Top 25 Poll
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm going with scheme/coaching for that D
I'd agree about Texas that year looking at the talent they had in the secondary, but I don't think they had much of a pass rush.
I think Will, will do good things there.
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Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:48 pm to BayouBengals03
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Against the fricking Big East.
top 30 offenses
Big12: (6) TT, MO, OSU, KU, NU, UT, OU
BigEast: (4) UL, WV, RU, Cinci
Big10: (1) Purdue
top 30 defenses
Big12: (2) KU, OU
BigEast: (4) PU, WV, RU, USF
Big10: (3) OSU, PSU, UM
Total
Big12: 8
BigEast: 8
Big10: 4
And the SEC had 7 [Offense: (3) UF, Arkie, LSU; Defense: (4) LSU, AU, UGA, MSU ], so this isn't EVERYTHING. but i think most everyone admits the SEC is easily the #1 and the ACC is easily the #6. The 4 in the middle? pretty even
i just use this as 1 way to look at the teams. schedule can be a big skew (see: KU and the SEC), but generally this will even itself out by looking at the entire conference, which this doesn't do.
i picked top 30 b/c it's essentially the top 25%. feel free to pick whatever # you want and run the #s. i plan on going through later tonight and trying to rank every conference's average offense/defense and some of the top teams
but the point is that the big east isn't as far behind the big12/big10 as most think, if it's behind them at all
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i understand why people are leery of WV, but i don't see what OSU has done to be impressive
they return the same exact team (save Golston's overrated arse) that was up 10-0 in the National Championship game a year ago... now they get a Tebow in the form of Pryor to mix it up and all of those players are healthier (Beanie) and a year more experienced...
How is WV beating that?
...and no, I don't think tOSU is God, I think UGA and FL are better IMO, but I think you'll see that WV is way overrated about midseason this year under Stewart's care
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:49 pm to Derby Tigah
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Penn State, Arizona, Syracuse, etc. are a few that come to mind
Zona? Maybe
PSU? Schiano
Cuse? in the Big East
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:50 pm to Derby Tigah
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they return the same exact team (save Golston's overrated arse)
he was still their only real speed rusher
and is returning that offense something to celebrate?
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How is WV beating that?
with an offensive scheme that OSU can't defense
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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mizzou is an "expectation" pick
well, you got something right ...I think Mizzou is garbage ..the only team they beat last year that I respect was Arky after D-Mac had his mind on the NFL shortly after a car scandle and the head coach had just been canned
I think Miss St. could have beaten Arky by 30 after that...you could tell that Hyde showed up for that game, not Jeckyl
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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West Virginia
Total D: 7
Pass D: 14
Rush D: 18
Missouri
Total D: 59
Pass D: 96
Rush D: 25
Florida
Total D: 41
Pass D: 98
Rush D: 10
please keep conferences in perspective, thanks
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:59 pm to Derby Tigah
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please keep conferences in perspective, thanks
that's the whole point. it's a rough estimation of what conferences had good offenses and defenses
you can't say WV had an overrated D when it faced a conference with solid offensive production at the top. you CAN argue that the big12 puts up huge #s in a conference that is without defense (or vice versa, but in this chicken/egg game, it shows the big12 is very slanted in 1 direction - bad defense or great offense). the big10 is just kinda bad
what do YOU base your hate of the big east on other than pure opinion?
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 7:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Zona? Maybe
PSU? Schiano
Cuse? in the Big East
Stoops has a foot out the door...he needs to make a bowl game to save his job and that is super iffy
you are guessing Shiano, but it could be someone from a bigger school, and if that's the case then another vacancy comes about and musical chairs begins
just used Cuse as an example... who knows what can happen... if Vandy wins a game or two Johnson could get canned, who knows... there could be a lot of possibilities I haven't even considered
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's the whole point. it's a rough estimation of what conferences had good offenses and defenses
you can't say WV had an overrated D when it faced a conference with solid offensive production at the top. you CAN argue that the big12 puts up huge #s in a conference that is without defense. the big10 is just kinda bad
what do YOU base your hate of the big east on other than pure opinion?
every decent offense WV faced last year got theirs, save OK ...but OK has been the choke artists of the BCS for years so no shocker there
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:02 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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I got nominated to vote in the top 25, but the fig pack stood up and revolted against my nomination. Apparently they know me well enough to know that I don't know shite about college football.
I was handling the nominations and I don't remember anyone nominating you. Also I have never seen you post on the MSB enough to seek you out myself and ask you to join
Bayoubengal didnt get in because we already had enough and it was too late. If anyone drops out he is the first one to be on the poll.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:03 pm to Derby Tigah
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but OK has been the choke artists of the BCS for years so no shocker there
it couldn't be because the big12 is weak and OU puts up gaudy numbers/records against it, then they go to bowls that in the abstract they wouldn't, and lose as a result? naw that makes too much sense
OSU and OU are Notre Dame-lite (neither gets the bump or has as easy of a road as ND, but the same thing happens)
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:06 pm to supatigah
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Bayoubengal didnt get in because we already had enough and it was too late. If anyone drops out he is the first one to be on the poll.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it couldn't be because the big12 is weak and OU puts up gaudy numbers/records against it, then they go to bowls that in the abstract they wouldn't, and lose as a result? naw that makes too much sense
we've already been through this about the conferences... there are several teams who "get up" for bowl games, just like there are several teams that slip down in bowl games and lose interest
teams like WV, Kansas, Boise State, etc. aren't expected to be there so they are generally much more motivated than teams like OU that expect to be playing for National Titles
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:38 pm to Derby Tigah
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teams like OU that expect to be playing for National Titles
Wasn't the Orange Bowl against USC for the BCS C?
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Wasn't the Orange Bowl against USC for the BCS C?
USC was beating anyone they played that night by 4 TDs
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:41 pm to Derby Tigah
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teams like WV, Kansas, Boise State, etc. aren't expected to be there so they are generally much more motivated than teams like OU that expect to be playing for National Titles
WV was playing for the national title, lost the chance, and shouldn't have had any motivation. they were closer than OU
this was WV's 2nd BCS bowl in 3 years, just like OU
they don't fit your pattern
KU? yeah i could see it, but KU got the champ of the shittiest BCS conference, who played horribly, and KU barely won
i don't see why OU would have been sad about playing BSU in 2006. OU had lost the big12, but ended up taking advantage of UT crumbling to win it. i'm sure that team was fricking stoked to play in the fiesta (like BSU)
your pattern just does not work. there is nothing that is "established"
fyi, BSU lost their bowl games in 2004 (UL), 2005 (BC), and 2007 (ECU). they really do "get up" for bowls
i can keep going disproving your hypothesis if you want
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:41 pm to Derby Tigah
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USC was beating anyone they played that night by 4 TDs
based on?
Posted on 8/26/08 at 8:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this was WV's 2nd BCS bowl in 3 years
Tennessee could have been to 2 BCS games in 3 years playing in that conference
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fyi, BSU lost their bowl games in 2004 (UL), 2005 (BC), and 2007 (ECU). they really do "get up" for bowls
BCS bowls are a little different for small schools like Fresno, KU and WV that are over-achieving just being there
Posted on 8/26/08 at 9:22 pm to Derby Tigah
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Tennessee could have been to 2 BCS games in 3 years playing in that conference
UT has been to the SECCG twice in the past 4 years, aka, they were 1 game away each year.
what does your statement and that fact say about the SEC then?
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BCS bowls are a little different for small schools like Fresno, KU and WV that are over-achieving just being there
fresno? who is talking about that overrated arse program?
i already said KU would fit your hypothesis, but they didn't "get up" for that bowl. they could barely beat a mediocre VT team playing like crap.
WV has been there, done that. you could make your claims after 2005, and i did, but they have shown they're no fluke
WV was EXPECTED to win the big east last year. WV is EXPECTED to win the big east this year. they're not "overachieving"
last year's bowl against OU was a letdown. WV was 1 game away from the national title, and lost it
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