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CFN's Fiutak on "The SEC (/LSU) and the national title."
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:25 am
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1. The SEC and the national title
No one’s saying LSU, once it got healthy after over a month off, wasn’t the best team in America in 2007. However, with eight months to let last season digest, that regular season loss to Arkansas becomes more and more inexcusable. The Tigers had everything on the line against a mediocre Hog team at home, and lost. Yeah, it was tripe overtime, but a loss is a loss no matter how it happens. It keeps getting glossed over, but if Pat White doesn’t get banged up, West Virginia beats Pitt and LSU goes on to beat Hawaii 65-0 in the Sugar Bowl (at least we then would’ve gotten Georgia vs. USC in the Rose Bowl). Of course, the Tigers needed Missouri to lose to Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, too. Combine that with the luck of the league in 2006 when USC lost to UCLA so Florida could get in against Ohio State, and now there’s an important theoretical discussion that needs to be had.
If the SEC really is the best conference in the country (even though the Big 12 has to be in the fight this season), then will the league get the automatic benefit of the doubt no matter what? Let’s say, for example, Ohio State goes unbeaten. Considering that would mean the Buckeyes would win at USC and at Wisconsin, few could reasonably argue against putting them in the national title game. Now, let’s say Clemson beats Alabama 17-13 in the opener, blows through an ACC that appears to be mediocre, and finishes 12-0 with a 24-21 win over South Carolina before winning the ACC championship. Now, let’s say Georgia pulls an LSU and wins the SEC title with an impressive 35-10 win over Auburn, but lost in triple overtime both at LSU and against Florida in the regular season. Each would be far more acceptable losses than LSU’s defeats to Kentucky and Arkansas last season, and you’d have a huge segment of the world assuming that UGA is the best team in America.
And then the chaos would ensure.
You’d have an Ohio State team that almost no one in believes can beat an SEC champion like Georgia until it actually happens, and an unbeaten Clemson team that didn’t exactly set the world on fire. Do you still put Georgia in the national title? Would a two-loss SEC champion be more deserving of a national title shot than the unbeaten champion from the ACC? If you’re looking for a plus
I generally agree with assessment of the Arkansas loss, but the remainder of the piece seems specious.
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Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:32 am to The312
no 2 loss team should play for the national championship over an undefeated BCS team
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:36 am to The312
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theoretical discussion
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make-believe is fun.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:36 am to The312
we should not have lost to kentucky or arkansas.
les chose to play injured players (hester vs. KY, meaning scott or williams, and flynn in OT vs. ARK, meaning perrilloux) over healthier players who would have performed better.
we would have won if he had put the uninjured guys on the field instead.
les chose to play injured players (hester vs. KY, meaning scott or williams, and flynn in OT vs. ARK, meaning perrilloux) over healthier players who would have performed better.
we would have won if he had put the uninjured guys on the field instead.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:37 am to The312
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that regular season loss to Arkansas becomes more and more inexcusable
Fair enough.
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if Pat White doesn’t get banged up, West Virginia beats Pitt
So, he makes excuses for WVU losing to a 5-7 team, but our loss to a "mediocre" 8-4 team with a Heisman candidate making his statement on national TV a week before the voting is "inexcusable"?
Hell, half our team was "banged up" for that game, including Matt Flynn, who because of his injuries had a subpar game that day and against Kentucky. Plus all the injuries to our other key players were very critical. And we still would have won the fricking Arkansas game if not for a phantom holding call the ref just pulled out of his arse on a crucial third down conversion when we were driving to take the lead in the 4th quarter.
It's always amazing to me how nothing excuses even the slightest failure by LSU (toughest schedule, horrible calls by biased refs, unbelievable rash of injuries, etc.), but other teams can skate by even the worst of screw-ups (WVU losing to Pitt, Oregon to Arizona, Georgia to South Carolina, USC to Stanford, etc.) and the excuses fly from all quarters.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:37 am to The312
his argument seems to be that LSU's losses were inexcusable, but the others' losses are somehow fluke's that have a reasonable explanation. the "if Pat White doesn't get banged up" excuse is used, but not mention of the fact that half our defense was banged up in the Arky game.
Also, I don't think the hypothetical he discusses with Georgia would ever happen. The SEC champ will get the benefit of the doubt if they have the same number of losses as another team, but no way would anyone argue the a 2-loss GA should be in over an undefeated Clemson.
In Pete's defense though, I did hear him say on the radio the other day that after a month to heal up, LSU would've beat any other team in college football in the champ game.
Also, I don't think the hypothetical he discusses with Georgia would ever happen. The SEC champ will get the benefit of the doubt if they have the same number of losses as another team, but no way would anyone argue the a 2-loss GA should be in over an undefeated Clemson.
In Pete's defense though, I did hear him say on the radio the other day that after a month to heal up, LSU would've beat any other team in college football in the champ game.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:42 am to gliterein
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we would have won if he had put the uninjured guys on the field instead.
while that argument has merit, you can more easily point to stupid mistakes, needless penalties and dropped passes as a much better explanation for those losses.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:43 am to ForeLSU
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if Pat White doesn't get banged up
If Doucet was lined up about 2 feet back, we would have beat Ark in regulation (as evidenced by how the play unfolded...and it's not like Doucet was the playmaker).
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:44 am to The312
I normally like Fiutak's take on things, but this is simply stupid:
No one except a complete SEC homer or typical UGA fan would suggest that...under the current system we have in place. No way a two loss team from ANY conference deserves to go to the big game when there are TWO undefeateds from BCS conferences.
That's not to say that if we had a playoff UGA might not win (see the NY Giants last season) but it doesn;t mean they (or LSU if it were in that position) would deserve a shot in the current system.
Other than stirring shite, I'm not even sure of his point...'cause I don't think anyone is arguing this point on behalf of the SEC.
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You’d have an Ohio State team that almost no one in believes can beat an SEC champion like Georgia until it actually happens, and an unbeaten Clemson team that didn’t exactly set the world on fire. Do you still put Georgia in the national title? Would a two-loss SEC champion be more deserving of a national title shot than the unbeaten champion from the ACC?
No one except a complete SEC homer or typical UGA fan would suggest that...under the current system we have in place. No way a two loss team from ANY conference deserves to go to the big game when there are TWO undefeateds from BCS conferences.
That's not to say that if we had a playoff UGA might not win (see the NY Giants last season) but it doesn;t mean they (or LSU if it were in that position) would deserve a shot in the current system.
Other than stirring shite, I'm not even sure of his point...'cause I don't think anyone is arguing this point on behalf of the SEC.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:50 am to Nuts4LSU
Yeah, I'm with you on the inexcusable double standards.
Pat White showed me what he's made of in that Pitt game. I've watched it several times.
A thumb injury on his non-throwing hand incapacitates him for nearly three quarters, but he can try and play the last minutes?
He looked more beat by the cold than anything.
Flynn was injected in his throwing shoulder for the Arky game, and couldn't play in the SECCG, even after RP tore half the index finger off of his throwing hand.
Think about it. RP played the entire fourth quarter with a torn,bleeding index finger of his throwing hand.
Pat White showed me what he's made of in that Pitt game. I've watched it several times.
A thumb injury on his non-throwing hand incapacitates him for nearly three quarters, but he can try and play the last minutes?
He looked more beat by the cold than anything.
Flynn was injected in his throwing shoulder for the Arky game, and couldn't play in the SECCG, even after RP tore half the index finger off of his throwing hand.
Think about it. RP played the entire fourth quarter with a torn,bleeding index finger of his throwing hand.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:53 am to GeauxTigerTM
fiu can what if the situation all he wants here in August.
...and what if during the OSU / USC game, a meteor hits the stadium and injures Beanie Wells and Mark Sanchez and the game is called a tie? What if the PAC 10 and Big 10 implement a meteor shield policy to eliminate any future occurance? What if the meteor shield is damaged during the Michigan / OSU game and another tie is called? Does OSU then go to the National title game being undefeated w/ 2 ties?
It's just a bunch of what if's to drum up discussion in the waining moments of pre-season.
...and what if during the OSU / USC game, a meteor hits the stadium and injures Beanie Wells and Mark Sanchez and the game is called a tie? What if the PAC 10 and Big 10 implement a meteor shield policy to eliminate any future occurance? What if the meteor shield is damaged during the Michigan / OSU game and another tie is called? Does OSU then go to the National title game being undefeated w/ 2 ties?
It's just a bunch of what if's to drum up discussion in the waining moments of pre-season.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 11:58 am to oilfieldtiger
i would rather an undefeated clemson in the NC over a 2 loss georgia.
i think it would be a difficult decision if the SEC champs were a one loss team. but not a two
i think it would be a difficult decision if the SEC champs were a one loss team. but not a two
Posted on 8/25/08 at 12:08 pm to 12inches
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no 2 loss team should play for the national championship over an undefeated BCS team
I always thought the idea of a "Championship" game was to determine the best team in the country. # of losses plays a role in determining that but, I don't think there should be a rule (written or otherwise) regarding a team's number of losses dictating whether they can play in the NC.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 12:48 pm to gliterein
Scott didn't get the first down on 4th & 1 in OT.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 12:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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You’d have an Ohio State team that almost no one in believes can beat an SEC champion like Georgia until it actually happens, and an unbeaten Clemson team that didn’t exactly set the world on fire. Do you still put Georgia in the national title? Would a two-loss SEC champion be more deserving of a national title shot than the unbeaten champion from the ACC?
No one except a complete SEC homer or typical UGA fan would suggest that...under the current system we have in place. No way a two loss team from ANY conference deserves to go to the big game when there are TWO undefeateds from BCS conferences.
That's not to say that if we had a playoff UGA might not win (see the NY Giants last season) but it doesn;t mean they (or LSU if it were in that position) would deserve a shot in the current system.
Agree
Posted on 8/25/08 at 1:05 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It's always amazing to me how nothing excuses even the slightest failure by LSU (toughest schedule, horrible calls by biased refs, unbelievable rash of injuries, etc.), but other teams can skate by even the worst of screw-ups (WVU losing to Pitt, Oregon to Arizona, Georgia to South Carolina, USC to Stanford, etc.) and the excuses fly from all quarters.
Nuts, come on over and have a Macanudo and bottle of Glenlivet '72. That statement says it all.
BTW, lets not forget Casey Dick blocking Chad Jones in the back when he was about to RUN DOWN Darren McFadden on that long td run.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 1:06 pm to rtgr
Cut and paste from a Berlin newspaper.
Posted on 8/25/08 at 1:40 pm to mmtiger
If my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle
Posted on 8/25/08 at 2:38 pm to gliterein
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we should not have lost to kentucky or arkansas.
les chose to play injured players (hester vs. KY, meaning scott or williams, and flynn in OT vs. ARK, meaning perrilloux) over healthier players who would have performed better.
we would have won if he had put the uninjured guys on the field instead.
Really? Like when the defense had to win the SEC Championship game? Perrilloux was so awsome!(maximum sarcasm)
Or, like when Zinger dropped Flynn's pass in the endzone vs. Kentucky? Or, when Scott should have got a 2 yard 1st down on the 3rd series in OT...he was tackled by one player...you mean like that? Or, when Doucet, a Senior WR, lined up wrong, only to have the TD from Flynn to Hester called back that would have won the game in regulation.
If Scott, Williams, or Murphy had half the heart of Hester or were a "go to guy in critical situations" like Hester was, then they would have started or played more last year.
You are the "classic example" of someone who is critical of Miles and doesn't know WTF they are talking about! Classic amnesia and revisionist history....I bet you are Dimocrat-liberal
This post was edited on 8/25/08 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/25/08 at 2:40 pm to Catahoula Lake LA
The winner of the SEC Championship pretty much gets an auto bid to the NC game. We've rightly earned it.
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