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Honest Discussion----Lack of Black Head Coaches
Posted on 1/22/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 1:59 pm
I got into a discussion on another board about Bienienmy and the Lack of Head Coaches in the NFL.
Now we can talk about the various reasons about why very few have been successful. I will say that it should be mentioned that outside of Mike Tomlin most of all Head Coaches (Black or White) typically come into similar circumstances. They are taking over a failed franchise for a recent coach that has been fired.
It is my contention that will there may be a small percentage of African American coaches in the league, but I don't think there has necessarily been a shortage.
Dennis Green
Tony Dungy--Super Bowl-Failed in Tampa, never fielded a defense in Indy
Lovie Smith
Anthony Lynn
Art Shell
Romel Cronell
Marvin Lewis---Several playoffs
Jim Cardwell
Hue Jackson
Outside of Tomlin and Dungy very few have had success.
Is it a management style?..I have already heard the broadcasters say that Robert Saleh plans on being a CEO type that will hire his OC and DC and then be hands off.
Is it not being able to relate to the Whole team?
Not relating to the owner or GM? the Community?
Now we can talk about the various reasons about why very few have been successful. I will say that it should be mentioned that outside of Mike Tomlin most of all Head Coaches (Black or White) typically come into similar circumstances. They are taking over a failed franchise for a recent coach that has been fired.
It is my contention that will there may be a small percentage of African American coaches in the league, but I don't think there has necessarily been a shortage.
Dennis Green
Tony Dungy--Super Bowl-Failed in Tampa, never fielded a defense in Indy
Lovie Smith
Anthony Lynn
Art Shell
Romel Cronell
Marvin Lewis---Several playoffs
Jim Cardwell
Hue Jackson
Outside of Tomlin and Dungy very few have had success.
Is it a management style?..I have already heard the broadcasters say that Robert Saleh plans on being a CEO type that will hire his OC and DC and then be hands off.
Is it not being able to relate to the Whole team?
Not relating to the owner or GM? the Community?
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:01 pm to tigerterrace
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Robert Saleh
He is Lebanese.
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Is it a management style?
Most head coaches are failures. Because there are so many fewer black head coaches than white head coaches, there will be fewer “success stories”. The fact is that almost all head coaches are fired. So I would contend that most head coaches are “failures” if the metrics are Super Bowls or long tenures. So I don’t think it’s fair to just look at percentage of those successes.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:04 pm to tigerterrace
quote:
Is it not being able to relate to the Whole team? Not relating to the owner or GM? the Community?
Just ridiculous to say.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:07 pm to tigerterrace
quote:I dont have any stats to back this up, but Id imagine the NFL >60-70% black players. So if they cant relate to the players, then there is a bigger issue.
is it not being able to relate to the Whole team?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:13 pm to tigerterrace
When there are more minority GM's there will be more minority coaches.
damn its true. They do the hiring and if you don't think that 10 more minority GM's would lead to more minority hiring I can't help you.
Not making a moral judgement at all.
damn its true. They do the hiring and if you don't think that 10 more minority GM's would lead to more minority hiring I can't help you. Not making a moral judgement at all.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:29 pm to tigerterrace
If we are supposedly moving forward from racism, then we need to stop having these discussions. Because skin color shouldn’t be a factor either way.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:39 pm to tigerterrace
If 70% of the players are black, then they must have traits that make them better at football. I wonder if white coaches have traits that make them better at being the head coach. Or is it only racist one way?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:40 pm to tigerterrace
Take this to the SJW board
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:49 pm to tigerterrace
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Now we can talk about the various reasons about why very few have been successful.
Most coaches aren't successful but it also depends on how you want to define success. Marvin Lewis is the winningest coach in Bengals history. Caldwell went to a SB and is the only coach the Lions have had with a winning record since 1972. Green had 8 playoffs and one losing season in a decade in Minny.
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but I don't think there has necessarily been a shortage.
19 in the history of the modern league starting in 1989. How many coaches have there been since 1989?
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Outside of Tomlin and Dungy very few have had success.
Would you consider not hiring white coaches because of another white guy's lack of success?
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I have already heard the broadcasters say that Robert Saleh plans on being a CEO type that will hire his OC and DC and then be hands off.
Saleh's not black.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:49 pm to tigerterrace
DP
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 3:17 pm to tigerterrace
Take race out of it for a second.
Most coaches, white or black, are unsuccessful.
If you researched, “NFL coaches from California,” the majority of those coaches are unsuccessful.
Most coaches, white or black, are unsuccessful.
If you researched, “NFL coaches from California,” the majority of those coaches are unsuccessful.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 3:34 pm to tigerterrace
If Pederson had been black.. What outrage would the Eagles have gotten? Winning a Super Bowl 2 seasons ago.. Recently had some bad seasons.. Hired in 2016... Would he have been fired for tanking the season if he was black?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 3:55 pm to tigerterrace
My question to anyone who thinks there is a unfair shortage of black HCs in the NFL.
Do you think the reason that there are more black players in the NFL is because they are better athletes?
Do you think black dudes are equally qualified to be HCs in terms of intelligence/leadership etc?
If the answer to both of those is yes, then you are a black supremacist.
If the answer is that both are equal in both, but there are ground-up, grassroots, cultural factors that lead to the discrepancies, then we should either fix both or agree that, welp, thems the breaks buddy.
Do you think the reason that there are more black players in the NFL is because they are better athletes?
Do you think black dudes are equally qualified to be HCs in terms of intelligence/leadership etc?
If the answer to both of those is yes, then you are a black supremacist.
If the answer is that both are equal in both, but there are ground-up, grassroots, cultural factors that lead to the discrepancies, then we should either fix both or agree that, welp, thems the breaks buddy.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:01 pm to tigerterrace
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Hue Jackson
1-31 his first two years and he kept his job.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:14 pm to tigerterrace
Right now, Head Coaches are being picked because they appear to display some elite understanding of the game...especially offensively.
Very few black assistants are viewed this way. Bienemy isn't even viewed as the guy running the KC offense much less architecting it. Pretty much everyone knows Reid is the brains behind that organization.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. It just means that he's not viewed that way, nor should he be.
Everyone wants a Sean Payton type of coach right now instead of a Bill Parcells type.
Which black assistant coaches are viewed this way?
Very few black assistants are viewed this way. Bienemy isn't even viewed as the guy running the KC offense much less architecting it. Pretty much everyone knows Reid is the brains behind that organization.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. It just means that he's not viewed that way, nor should he be.
Everyone wants a Sean Payton type of coach right now instead of a Bill Parcells type.
Which black assistant coaches are viewed this way?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:40 pm to tigerterrace
NFL owners are mostly businessmen, so they will always hire the best candidate regardless of color. It's a silly discussion.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:55 pm to tigerterrace
Nfl simple formula
Great qb, great coach
End of story no matter the color
Great qb, great coach
End of story no matter the color
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:40 pm to tigerterrace
Rooney rule is racist. It forces you to interview a minority rather than most qualified...and some hires just weren't qualified
Eta:minorities should push for the elimination of the rule. How embarrassing is it to know that you are being flown in to some of these interviews because the owner has to interview a minority. Its a slap in the face to some of these guys that work their arse off
Eta:minorities should push for the elimination of the rule. How embarrassing is it to know that you are being flown in to some of these interviews because the owner has to interview a minority. Its a slap in the face to some of these guys that work their arse off
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:45 pm to tigerterrace
Who cares. If you can do the job you get the job. Don’t care about this whole minority representation. I’m going with the best candidate. Not the white or black candidate.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:52 pm to tigerterrace
I think coaching is just a profession that historically has had less black men involved at the high levels- including position coaches and stuff. Some of that could be like old school racist head coaches not giving them a shot until recently. I dunno. But there’s not a ton of experienced position or assistant coaches that can rise up IMO. The first step is to just have more assistant black coaches and then more HCs will happen naturally. We just want the best people to do the job and there will be black coaches who can fill that if they just get more chances to prove their meddle. We shouldn’t hire unqualified people just because they’re black.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:53 pm
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