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re: What is your definition of socialism? And why or why not is it an effective system?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:50 pm to redeye
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:50 pm to redeye
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Right, but according to what you said earlier they are Socialists. Idk how their regulations compare, but I noticed that you said nothing about taxation here.
Uh, I never said Denmark was a socialist country.
Because, it's not. Which comment of mine are you referring to? Happy to clarify it if I need to.
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:51 pm to fallguy_1978
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Those countries just take more of your income and decide how much and how you should get back.
The last time I checked, that was called taxation. No?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:54 pm to CXSteve
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So having free healthcare and education etc.
It's not free
They just pay higher taxes to pay for it. They also have far different demographics than the US. 86% of Denmark are native Danes with a population less than the Houston metro.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:54 pm to kywildcatfanone
Lol I don’t detest freedom and self-reliance. I don’t believe in authoritarian rule nor government dependency. That’s an entire separate discussion tho.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:54 pm to PacMan01
quote:That is like the Big Mac in the commercial, then you buy the actual one.
But one of the tenets of socialism is the “workers own the means of production” not the government, no?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:55 pm to PacMan01
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I don’t believe in authoritarian rule nor government dependency.
Ironically, that's another definition of socialism.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:56 pm to redeye
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The last time I checked, that was called taxation. No?
A lot of those countries pay 45+% average tax rates. Do you want to give more of your money to the government? I know I don't.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:57 pm to BiteMe2020
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Uh, I never said Denmark was a socialist country.
Because, it's not. Which comment of mine are you referring to? Happy to clarify it if I need to.
The one I had just replied to before you posted. You said that taxation and regulation are examples of socialism in America. They are not.
Then you said that Nordic countries were not socialists, even though they have a higher tax rate than we do. I agree that they're not socialists, but neither are we.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:57 pm to PacMan01
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I mostly agree with 2/3. But one of the tenets of socialism is the “workers own the means of production” not the government, no?
Can you sell or trade or transfer your share of the means of production? If not, you don't own it.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:00 pm to fallguy_1978
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A lot of those countries pay 45+% average tax rates. Do you want to give more of your money to the government? I know I don't.
And they receive far more in return, while still having great capitalistic systems that profit well.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:00 pm to CXSteve
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So having free healthcare and education etc. that works very well then it not really socialism okay.
Who says it works well?
Is anyone flying to Denmark to see a cancer specialist? The idea that these countries have better healthcare is laughable. And Europeans aren’t nearly as pampered as Americans. We put 90+ year olds on ventilators because we let the family members make decisions. Those patients go home to die in Europe (which is probably the right call), but in the US they end up being a hospital acquired infection or some bullshite data point they can use to say our health system is worse.
They pay like 20% more in taxes. Think about how much more healthcare and education you could get if you spent 20% of your earnings on it every year.
It’s not free. Nothing is free. They are just paying for it upfront.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:02 pm to redeye
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And they receive far more in return, while still having great capitalistic systems that profit well.
Like what? Let’s use some examples here. What specifically are they getting?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:02 pm to redeye
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The one I had just replied to before you posted. You said that taxation and regulation are examples of socialism in America. They are not.
Then you said that Nordic countries were not socialists, even though they have a higher tax rate than we do. I agree that they're not socialists, but neither are we.
Nordic countries have less regulation. Thus their higher rankings in the economic freedom index.
Also, out of the tens of thousands of industries in a given economy, they essentially have two large social programs - health care, education.
They're not socialist countries, lol. And to the extent they have socialist programs, the bills are paid by capitalists.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:04 pm to PacMan01
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Leftist here. I’m a long-time lurker, but I like to learn more about the perspective on the opposite aisle.
There is NO, I say again, NO fricking "aisle" for fricktardian socialism.
Also, you lazy little fricking schoolboy, RESEARCH SOCIALISM YOURSELF.
How mentally fricking ill you must be, completely uneducated and indocrinated you must be, to even CONSIDER that socialism is some form of viable governance.
Idiot.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:04 pm to redeye
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And they receive far more in return, while still having great capitalistic systems that profit well.
Are they receiving twice as much as we are? Because they are almost pying twice as much in taxes
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:05 pm to redeye
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And they receive far more in return, while still having great capitalistic systems that profit well.
So you want the government to take half of your income in hopes that they will use it to improve your life? Can they decide how to spend your money better than you?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:06 pm to fallguy_1978
I’ve scrolled past the word “incentive” too many times. Incentive to do what? Achieve personal wealth? Incentive to work? Most people would not want to be lazy and unproductive all their lives. I'm a lazy person in many ways, but eventually I want to do something and be useful. Doing nothing for a very long time sucks. Many doctors like what they do, I believe there would be people who would choose to be doctors, lawyers, engineers and other members of a productive society. The socialist motto is each according to their ability, to each according to their work"
its "to their need". It was a “duty, or right” to work. The only retort I can say to that is whether it would restrict personal liberties. The liberty TO BE LAZY. But the ‘no incentive’ notion imo is a misconception.
its "to their need". It was a “duty, or right” to work. The only retort I can say to that is whether it would restrict personal liberties. The liberty TO BE LAZY. But the ‘no incentive’ notion imo is a misconception.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:06 pm to PacMan01
Walls.
Socialist countries build them to keep people in while capitalists build them to keep people out.
That should tell you something but leftists don’t study history.
Socialist countries build them to keep people in while capitalists build them to keep people out.
That should tell you something but leftists don’t study history.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:08 pm to PacMan01
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long-time lurker,
I don't believe you gif.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:08 pm to PacMan01
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But the ‘no incentive’ notion imo is a misconception.
Based on my travels in China and Cuba I can say you are bigly wrong.
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