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Antifa and the riots
Posted on 1/14/21 at 8:55 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 8:55 am
I read all these theories that Antifa was mixed in at the Capitol. (Some saying 30% Antifa). Look, I'd love to believe this, but the problem I have is those that are getting arrested appear to be nutty Trump fringe people. Everybody has the footage showing the people inside. If the Antifa story is true, some tech savy people need to start identifying the leftists in the crowd without any doubt. And then they need to get it to media outlets that will show it (if any exist). Otherwise, looks like (and left is spinning it as) yet another conspiracy theory. Even the Feds have come out and said no evidence that Antifa was involved. It's up to the people at this point.
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 9:01 am
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Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:01 am to rumproast
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If the Antifa story is true, some tech savy people need to start identifying the leftists in the crowd without any doubt.
One of the guys in fur is a registered Democrat, and the black guy, Sullivan? That was filming next to the woman that got shot is a blm activist.
But those guys didn't have their faces covered up the entire time.
There was also that guy that had a helmet with a Trump sticker breaking things with his helmet then sneaks off and changes clothes.
It's only a few things but I'm sure more will come out, it's only been a week and people are too busy saying it was a coup.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:09 am to rumproast
They arrested a leftist yesterday is that enough proof
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:10 am to rumproast
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Even the Feds have come out and said no evidence that Antifa was involved.
I'm shocked.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:10 am to rumproast
Seeing more and more reports (Catherine Herridge, CNN, etc.) that FBI, CIA, NYPD, etc., had intel of a pre-planned 'riot,' attack, what have you and that was shared with the Capital Sergeants-at-Arms but not the White House.
Pretty fricking hard to incite preplanned frickery, no?
And there is plenty of film showing Antifa-tactics at play (the attempt to smash the windows with a baton and a flag by black bloc figs before getting stopped by actual Trump supporters, for example).
Pretty fricking hard to incite preplanned frickery, no?
And there is plenty of film showing Antifa-tactics at play (the attempt to smash the windows with a baton and a flag by black bloc figs before getting stopped by actual Trump supporters, for example).
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:11 am to rumproast
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those that are getting arrested appear to be nutty Trump fringe people.
Why, because they're wearing nutty Trump fringe garb?
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:12 am to PhDoogan
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Pretty fricking hard to incite preplanned frickery, no?
No.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:14 am to rumproast
Imagine JUST FOR A SECOND that a President was so unquestionably popular that he needed an Army to protect him from the people who love him so dearly.
Damn right it's unprecedented.
Damn right it's unprecedented.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:16 am to rumproast
One of the first arrested was a judge’s son from NY. Both judge and son are registered Democrats. Son was wearing MAGA clothing! ???????
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:18 am to rumproast
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/capitol-takeover-coordination/94576644/
As I said live on this forum, people were walking right in. Not sure there is much dispute, I am sure there is Trump people that came in and followed but much of it was coordinated even with LE.
Video attached.
For the record, I wouldn't have cared if that whole building burned down either way. But this was political theater and was planned.
Actors, acting as Actors, in which they are acting in a play.
As I said live on this forum, people were walking right in. Not sure there is much dispute, I am sure there is Trump people that came in and followed but much of it was coordinated even with LE.
Video attached.
For the record, I wouldn't have cared if that whole building burned down either way. But this was political theater and was planned.
Actors, acting as Actors, in which they are acting in a play.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:18 am to Mo Jeaux
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Pretty fricking hard to incite preplanned frickery, no?
No.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:20 am to rumproast
Just think why was there no antifa vs trump supporter clashes at this event like every single other one. Did antifa just take a day off.
Look at how some of the chaos was created. Unless antifa is now training trump supporters.
Look at how some of the chaos was created. Unless antifa is now training trump supporters.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:27 am to PhDoogan
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And there is plenty of film showing Antifa-tactics at play (the attempt to smash the windows with a baton and a flag
I think that's just what happens with mob violence and not a "tactic".
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:29 am to rumproast
There are fringe people on both sides.
There are people on both sides who will get caught up in the minute.
That's human nature.
The examples of Capitol police removing barricades, and the fact that there WAS Antifa and Democrat operatives in the group does raise the question about what influence they had on the events.
There's not going to be a clean, "it was all Antifa" or "it was Trump supporters" answer to this one.
That said, Democrats are capitalizing on this to flex their Nazi a little harder, no matter what the truth is.
IMHO, people just wanted to make a point, and went too far. I doubt any of them thought they were going to actually change what Congress was going to do anyway. It wasn't an insurrection or coup. It was a riot.
There are people on both sides who will get caught up in the minute.
That's human nature.
The examples of Capitol police removing barricades, and the fact that there WAS Antifa and Democrat operatives in the group does raise the question about what influence they had on the events.
There's not going to be a clean, "it was all Antifa" or "it was Trump supporters" answer to this one.
That said, Democrats are capitalizing on this to flex their Nazi a little harder, no matter what the truth is.
IMHO, people just wanted to make a point, and went too far. I doubt any of them thought they were going to actually change what Congress was going to do anyway. It wasn't an insurrection or coup. It was a riot.
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:30 am to rumproast
My take?
I'd assume there were some on the left that were there to help "motivate" the crowd. We've seen in the past the left is way better at this sort of thing than the right. It would likely be hard to find now, but I'm SURE I'm seen Twitter links from someone like Andy Ngo showing Antifa groups rallying their members to dress up like Trump supporters and hold Swastikas at Trump rallies for the sole purpose of having another Antifa member take photos of them so they can post them on social media. Maybe someone can find this?
Having said that, I'd assume the vast majority of everyone there were Trump supporters and just plain old regular right leaning Americans. The small few that pushed into the Capitol were the most aggressive of the bunch, but I'd still assume most of them were just Trump supporters.
To say there was none there is clearly false though, because we've literally seen several leftists outed as having been there and inside the Capitol.
I'd assume there were some on the left that were there to help "motivate" the crowd. We've seen in the past the left is way better at this sort of thing than the right. It would likely be hard to find now, but I'm SURE I'm seen Twitter links from someone like Andy Ngo showing Antifa groups rallying their members to dress up like Trump supporters and hold Swastikas at Trump rallies for the sole purpose of having another Antifa member take photos of them so they can post them on social media. Maybe someone can find this?
Having said that, I'd assume the vast majority of everyone there were Trump supporters and just plain old regular right leaning Americans. The small few that pushed into the Capitol were the most aggressive of the bunch, but I'd still assume most of them were just Trump supporters.
To say there was none there is clearly false though, because we've literally seen several leftists outed as having been there and inside the Capitol.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:32 am to rumproast
I was there and already detailed how Cap Police were allowing people into the building. Almost ushering them in.
Having said that, one thing I didnt see was Antifa. Zero. Literally.
Unless they were dressed in USA clothes, I didnt see any and I was out there a long time.
Having said that, one thing I didnt see was Antifa. Zero. Literally.
Unless they were dressed in USA clothes, I didnt see any and I was out there a long time.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:34 am to dgnx6
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One of the guys in fur is a registered Democrat
That guy was at the crazy bus stop and the Maga bus just happened to be the one that stopped by. He ain't working for anyone but the voices in his head.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:45 am to cwill
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And there is plenty of film showing Antifa-tactics at play (the attempt to smash the windows with a baton and a flag
I think that's just what happens with mob violence and not a "tactic".
Yeah, because MAGA folk frequently carry umbrellas with them on sunny days (see video of mob smashing windows);
And MAGA folk are known for tearing down barricades when officials shut them out of desired events (compare videos of early confrontations on Jan. 6 [which began prior to the end of Trump's speech] with the cancelled MN rally that shut out 10,000 MAGA folks who peacefully sat behind barricade despite bullshite muh covid order)
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:47 am to rumproast
Antifa was there pretending to be MAGA, but compared to the overall rally/protest they were a very small part. They were in the forefront of doing damage in their usual ways though.
Antifa is very experienced at turning protests into riots. It's what they do.
Antifa is very experienced at turning protests into riots. It's what they do.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 9:48 am to rumproast
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but the problem I have is those that are getting arrested appear to be nutty Trump fringe people
You mean none of the agitators from Antifa/BLM are getting named or arrested? Nuh uh, no way!!!
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