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USA Today article this morning
Posted on 12/15/20 at 5:41 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 5:41 am
Not linking it
Three people look to be in trouble for not properly reporting but were only following Alleva email directive
Ausberry
Segar
Sharon Lewis
Three people look to be in trouble for not properly reporting but were only following Alleva email directive
Ausberry
Segar
Sharon Lewis
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 5:42 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 5:42 am to nicholastiger
This bodes well for O.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:01 am to nicholastiger
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but were only following Alleva email directive
Doesn’t matter. LSU policy and Federal Law is pretty clear. If it is proven that those employees violated the mandatory reporting rules they will be gone
Tom Galligan has gone on record stating “I’m a lawyer and firmly believe in the concepts of due process and proof prior to taking action”
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:13 am to nicholastiger
Link to said article removed by fact checkers
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 8:46 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:13 am to nicholastiger
Well, the euphoria of the Florida win was nice while we had it.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:18 am to nicholastiger
Alleva continues to be possibly the worst ad ever
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:20 am to nicholastiger
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Ausberry Segar Sharon Lewis
Yeah, don’t see how any of them survive this. It’s pretty clear they didn’t follow the Title IX policy.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:21 am to phantom70815
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Well, the euphoria of the Florida win was nice while we had it.
Hell nawh.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:32 am to nicholastiger
2 takeaways (if story true):
Segar will not be missed.
Still lots of moles/leaks in the LSU admin.
Segar will not be missed.
Still lots of moles/leaks in the LSU admin.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:36 am to kajunman
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This bodes well for O
Yeah, no.
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The report shows that deputy athletic director Verge Ausberry and football recruiting director Sharon Lewis admitted it was their practice to steer allegations against athletes to Miriam Segar, a senior associate athletic director, instead of reporting them directly to the Title IX coordinator, as LSU policy requires.
This does not. Any information the Assistant Athletic Director for Football Recruiting has can certainly be attributed to the HC as well. If people at that level are making decisions on Title IX investigations without even consulting or informing the HC I would think that would be a textbook definition of lack of institutional control, as the face of the program and person in direct control of the players in question had zero control over what was happening with his players.
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A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display: Adequate compliance measures. Appropriate education on those compliance measures. Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed.
I know there are many here that would put O’s future above the university’s, but O shirking responsibility for overseeing people directly underneath him put the athletic department and football program in a much more precarious position.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 6:47 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:42 am to nicholastiger
Just read it. Cliffs:
- USA Today obtained a Title IX report from November 2018 addressing whether Sharon Lewis (football Recruiting Director at the time) failed to report allegations against Drake Davis as required by university policy. Here’s a LINK to the actual report. Basically it found sufficient evidence that there was indeed a failure to report. But I haven’t read the whole thing yet.
- Alleva told athletic department personnel in 2016 and 2018 to run all allegations of sexual misconduct through Miriam Segar (Senior Associate AD) or the head of HR for the department, which would have been against university policy. LSU policy has said since 2014 that all allegations must be reported to the Title IX coordinator.
- There’s evidence that Miriam Segar, Verge Ausberry, and Sharon Lewis all failed to report allegations to the Title IX office when they became aware.
- Verge and Lewis have both been promoted since this happened.
- Nothing in this article directly implicates Orgeron, but the org chart in the article shows that Sharon Lewis worked under Orgeron at the time. Maybe someone can confirm?
- USA Today obtained a Title IX report from November 2018 addressing whether Sharon Lewis (football Recruiting Director at the time) failed to report allegations against Drake Davis as required by university policy. Here’s a LINK to the actual report. Basically it found sufficient evidence that there was indeed a failure to report. But I haven’t read the whole thing yet.
- Alleva told athletic department personnel in 2016 and 2018 to run all allegations of sexual misconduct through Miriam Segar (Senior Associate AD) or the head of HR for the department, which would have been against university policy. LSU policy has said since 2014 that all allegations must be reported to the Title IX coordinator.
- There’s evidence that Miriam Segar, Verge Ausberry, and Sharon Lewis all failed to report allegations to the Title IX office when they became aware.
- Verge and Lewis have both been promoted since this happened.
- Nothing in this article directly implicates Orgeron, but the org chart in the article shows that Sharon Lewis worked under Orgeron at the time. Maybe someone can confirm?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:44 am to themunch
Perfect example of what I have posted before about Title IX. It is a Federal Law, similar to to Title VII (think sexual harassment in the workplace) that is applicable to universities. Corporations have spent billions training professional HR personnel for years , as well as there employees on what to do relative reporting and investigation. Universities have academicians and assist athletic directors in charge of the same thing. No wonder it’s a cluster at every school. Academicians are horrible administrators and assistant athletic directors are inside of their own bubble where real world rules usually don’t apply. F King and Alleva created this mess and conveniently are not here to deal with the fall out. You can bet money that Verge, Segur and Lewis are gone. Also, the I don’t see how the tennis coaches survive.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
It looks and sounds like an inside the AD admins issue. Are head coaches responsible?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:52 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I know there are many here that would put O’s future above the university’s, but O shirking responsibility for overseeing people directly underneath him put the athletic department and football program in a much more precarious position.
To be fair, the article includes an email from Joe Alleva instructing athletic department employees to run sexual misconduct allegations through Miriam Segar.
Now I start to wonder how/if this all played into Alleva’s termination.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:53 am to nicholastiger
It is a good thing none of them are petty and vindictive to the point of throwing others under the buses even if they make stuff up.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:56 am to themunch
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It looks and sounds like an inside the AD admins issue. Are head coaches responsible?
While the ultimate “responsibility” for reporting goes beyond O, his head of recruiting and WR coach had first hand knowledge of the allegations and the lack of reporting.
If we are to believe the HC wasn’t given that information by direct subordinates about a player on his roster, there are bigger institutional issues with this CEO model than we imagined.
Let’s be honest. We all know there is no way Mickey, at the least, wasn’t telling O exactly what was going in with this situation, and it was likely widely discussed with Mickey, O, Verge, Lewis and others.
While that may not be easy to “prove” without Mickey or Verge admitting that publicly, the NCAA is not a court of law and can attribute knowledge to anyone they believe would have or should have known in a properly functioning institutional process.
The same way the tennis coaches knew what was happening with their players, there is no way the football coach wasn’t aware, or should have been.
Just because there is a bigger department to insulate O from dealing with these player issues directly like the tennis coaches had to, that doesn’t mean O wasn’t aware of what his players were doing because a WR coach was there to attend meetings with investigators in his place.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:05 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:59 am to lostinbr
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To be fair, the article includes an email from Joe Alleva instructing athletic department employees to run sexual misconduct allegations through Miriam Segar.
But that’s in lieu of going through the Title IX office. That doesn’t mean the WR coach and recruiting director wouldn’t still inform the head football coach about something of that level concerning one of his players just as a practical matter.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:00 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
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but O shirking responsibility for overseeing people directly underneath him put the athletic department and football program in a much more precarious position.
O has let go of players since being named head coach. In that regard he has done the right thing. Guice is the key imo. How much did O know when Miles was fired ? I think (and I could be wrong) Miles has more culpability in the Guice case than does O.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:04 am to lostinbr
It makes me wonder though, aside from being against LSU policy, is it against federal Title IX policy to funnel all complaints to a single person; Segar, assuming the purpose was to ensure complaints were properly filed and sent to the correct department. Alleva did state to send complaints directly if preferred, so assuming the goal wasn't nefarious and in attempt to ignore complaints was what he said actually against federal Title IX policy? If so could all this be slammed on Segar for refusal to perform her job task, and using personal bias to decide who does or doesn't get reported to Title IX? Or would this fall on the University as a whole for lack of institutional control and slam all programs including football?
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