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re: Stevens, Clark, and Hampton are really hurting this team.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:38 am to Big Gorilla
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:38 am to Big Gorilla
Clark seems more interested in keeping his jersey clean.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:45 am to NorthTxLSU
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stevens looking so bad just proves pelini is the root of the problem. no frickin way he should be looking this bad at the game of football
go watch the first touchdown from South Carolina and tell me what coach in the world can fix the stupidity that Jacoby Stevens plays the game of football with.
It's a two-high safety look. South Carolina hands the ball off from shotgun. Instead of staying on his hash of the field, Stevens runs to the middle of the field to guard a crossing receiver. Meanwhile, the USC running back bounces outside and up the sideline for a 40 yard touchdown.
Orlovsky highlights Logan and Clark not setting the edge, but that should have been a 10-15 yard gain and instead ended up being a 40-yard TD run because Stevens takes himself out of the play for no apparent reason.
ETA: Not advocating for or against Bo. But I can't have an opinion on Bo because of awful play like that.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 7:48 am
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:46 am to Buga
Go back and watch the tape it’s mostly Clark not stopping the run. Doesn’t have the ‘grit’ to play the position. (From what has been seen so far)
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:12 am to The Mick
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Stevens looks like he is pressing. People forget he wasnt an elite cover guy last year but a great tackler. Clark is disappointing. I thought he would step in and be the next great lsu lb. Hasnt happened.
Stevens an elite cover guy last year?? WTF were you watching last year. STevens is average is coverage and his main forte is coming up and stopping the run. Dude is too slow to be a elite cover guy. Stingley is an elite cover guy. Watch out when you use the word "elite" jezzzzz
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:14 am to Jamey21
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People forget he wasnt an elite cover guy last year
quote:question is, WTF were you reading?
Stevens an elite cover guy last year?? WTF were you watching last year
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:15 am to Lebowski
Flotte is awful. Just flat out gets beat over and over again. You keyboard warriors just don't get it. The only thing Pelini did wrong Saturday was keep Clark in the game. He is awful, needs the Giles treatment. Take back the #18. If you can't play sound defense and play your gap get off the field. South Carolina did absolutely nothing special running the ball. A couple speed sweeps and Stevens is shooting gaps thinking he runs a 4.4 missing tackles instead of playing his gap and making the tackle for a 2 yard gain.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:23 am to geauxtigers87
You musta not looked at the safety depth chart to say that
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:26 am to NorthTxLSU
I dont know man.
He is getting beat a lot one on one
Can't really blame that on pelini
Its showing who he is without 1st n 2and round picks all around him
He is getting beat a lot one on one
Can't really blame that on pelini
Its showing who he is without 1st n 2and round picks all around him
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:27 am to sportsman2582
Stevens is not a cover guy, never has been.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:51 am to Mithridates6
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Nebraska fans warned us all about him
Probably like many Ranters.
What are those "Nebraska Fans" saying about Pelini's replacement?
Are they happy?
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:01 am to Gus007
Flott gets beat alot. Many times the receiver has at least several yards of separation from him if not more. He never seems to turn around and look for the ball.
Ricks and Stingly were targeted a combined 0-6 against S. Carolina. There were several pass breakups between the two plus Ricks had a pick 6.
Ricks and Stingly were targeted a combined 0-6 against S. Carolina. There were several pass breakups between the two plus Ricks had a pick 6.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:16 am to tiger81
quote:True. The key to Stevens is Hampton and Harris. They have to be better in coverage to allow Stevens to spin and be available for RBs.
Stevens is not a cover guy, never has been.
The pattern matching zone is supposed to alleviate some of that. Even your best cover S struggle with many of these slot WRs. You have guys like Jefferson and now Marshall who normally would be wide in the slot now. TE's like Gilbert and Pitts who S's can't quite match.
In short, you will often, very often, struggle with personnel matchups against todays offenses IF you are going to stop the run. We, thankfully, make a living nowadays doing the same on the offensive side of the ball.
One of the keys to today's pattern matching zone is that is "swaps" to man-man if a receiver goes vertical and leaves the zones. If you have good corners, which we do with 1 inexperienced (Ricks), and then that should alleviate some pressure on the S on the deep routes.
You are man-man only in your zone, hand off if receiver crosses into another zone, and if receiver goes out back of zone (vertical) you stay with him. Makes you susceptible to clear outs short but that's what S's are for, not double coverage deep. Obviously, it is somewhat dependent on pressure to limit the risk deep.
So Stevens having to cover WRs, deep, isn't supposed to happen this much. I'd say the S's are supposed to be covering flats and seams more than zones, but I'm guessing on that.
One of the biggest problems is we have pretty regular breakdowns on those vertical routes where no one sticks with it. TEs/RBs running loose is the other problem. Add to that the LBs defending the run, including the edge.
Here's the conundrum- those 3 are in conflict. If failing at 1 the other 2 should be better covered. If CBs aren't going with the vertical routes, why are RBs coming on crossing routes all the way across the field and getting to the sideline. If LBs are sticking with their man in their zone too long, why are S's not free to cover the opposite side of the field for the RB/TE slipping out. On and on.
But the idea is that S's aren't, this often, responsible for covering WRs that deep in the field. So Stevens lack of cover ability is supposed to be hidden somewhat by the scheme where last 2 years it was hidden by personnel (Delpit). But S's on many of these TEs and slot WRs is indeed a losing game whether it is Stevens or not.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:18 am to Lebowski
You gotta throw in Harris too he is the worst Safety we've got. Might as well play Toles too.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:26 am to MrWiseGuy
Stevens didn’t know it was a running play until the guy scored.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:28 am to waiting4saturday
quote:Stevens should be playing outside LB and rushing the QB on 3rd downs. Clark needs to be sat down. He lets his eyes wander and gets caught in traffic on every running play. He is not playing quick enough to get around blocks and not strong enough to get off them. All he does is chase the play.
Stevens and Clark are out of position in a 4-3
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:25 am to TigerBert
Agree we need to give Toles a chance. Against Auburn would be an ideal time. Does Davonte Lee have the speed to play Safety?
If Stevens is the Defense's Captain, move him to LB where his speed can have more impact on end-arounds and giving direction to the youngsters based upon his game experience.
If Stevens is the Defense's Captain, move him to LB where his speed can have more impact on end-arounds and giving direction to the youngsters based upon his game experience.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:49 am to Mudminnow
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Tepperini
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 10/26/20 at 11:06 am to Lebowski
It's exasperating that between Pelini, Raymond and Busch that we can't get these guys playing at a semi-competent level. Throw in Harris as well. It's not like we don't have the talent.
If we don't maintain gap integrity, set the edge and defend space Gus is going to have our players chasing their tail with all of the misdirection and jet sweeps.
If we don't maintain gap integrity, set the edge and defend space Gus is going to have our players chasing their tail with all of the misdirection and jet sweeps.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 11:12 am to Lebowski
Todd Harris is the worst DB I've ever seen. How he even gets on the field is a mystery to me.
Stevens is playing out of position. He needs to be moved to linebacker.
Stevens is playing out of position. He needs to be moved to linebacker.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 11:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Stevens is playing out of position. He needs to be moved to linebacker.
He's listed at 6'2 230 on LSUSports.net. That's a LB by any team's standard.
Probably should have made him a LB and moved Marcel Brooks to safety. I know there was some rumbling that he didn't want to play LB but personal reasons may have been why he ultimately transferred.
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