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I wish more people would read Ayn Rand. Terrible at fiction but her themes are awesome
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:54 pm
Wrapped up in her silly desire to be a novelist are truths about what a descent into marxism looks like and she is great at exposing what that descent looks like. If you can read her books with the understanding that her prose is iffy there is a great opportunity to understand what a descent into marxism looks like.
HINT: It looks just like today's hearing about the ACB confirmation: Bureaucrats posturing and buying votes with their empty promises built on the backs of the talented... Pretty much exactly on script.
HINT: It looks just like today's hearing about the ACB confirmation: Bureaucrats posturing and buying votes with their empty promises built on the backs of the talented... Pretty much exactly on script.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:50 pm
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:55 pm to stickly
“You can ignore reality but you ca not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality”.
Not sure if it’s word for word since it’s been a while.
Not sure if it’s word for word since it’s been a while.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:57 pm to stickly
Rand's writing style resonates more the the high IQ speed reader, probably why a lot of posters are throwing shade her way.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:58 pm to stickly
Enjoyed The Fountainhead.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:59 pm to stickly
I read Ayn Rand mostly as a teenager. "Philosophy - Who Needs It?" is still a favorite. I have a couple of copies on my shelf to hand out when the opportunity arises.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:00 pm to stickly
I’ve never read her books, but I watched the Atlas Shrugged movie and thought it was pretty terrible.
Was the book that much better?
Was the book that much better?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:00 pm to Strannix
For me she is thinly veiled philosophy under a veneer of fiction. I think her books would have been more easily read if they were more direct in their intent.
BTW, I did like The Fountainhead. Atlas Shrugged was harder to like from a prose perspective but the idea was excellent.
BTW, I did like The Fountainhead. Atlas Shrugged was harder to like from a prose perspective but the idea was excellent.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:01 pm to stickly
"...I mean that he has to hold reason as his only guide to action, and that he must live by the independent judgment of his own mind; that his highest moral purpose is the achievement of his own happiness... that each man must live as an end in himself, and follow his own rational self-interest."
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:03 pm to bhtigerfan
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I’ve never read her books, but I watched the Atlas Shrugged movie and thought it was pretty terrible.
Was the book that much better?
No. Actually the movie was a horrible abortion in three parts, each with a completely different cast lol.
I guess that's my point: Her ideas about liberty are timeless but she minimized her own authority by trying to be a novelist/fiction-writer when she was not a gifted fiction writer.
Her ideas are gold but her prose is bronze. If she would have just admitted to being a philosopher (and written from that perspective) her ideas would have been more easily consumed.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:05 pm to bhtigerfan
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Was the book that much better?
Books are always better then the movies.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:07 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:07 pm to stickly
She published quite a lot of non-fiction explanations of her philosophy, Objectivism. Those are very direct and I would recommend them (e.g. Philosophy: Who Needs It?).
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:08 pm to La Place Mike
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Books are always better then the movies.
Almost always true. Atlas Shrugged as a movie was far less coherent than the book.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:11 pm to RoyalWe
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She published quite a lot of non-fiction explanations of her philosophy, Objectivism. Those are very direct and I would recommend them (e.g. Philosophy: Who Needs It?).
I agree and I have read them. To be clear: I do not agree with everything she espoused. I do not think that every *public good* is abhorrent. For instance, I think that public education (K-12) is an important common good. I think that national defense is important.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:12 pm to stickly
John Galt's speech is one of the best!!
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:14 pm to stickly
Great themes, true. But her construction of characters and social structures are so simplistic. She paints her antagonists/villains as such targets with apparent flaws and so easy to destroy.
Dostoyevsky on the other hand. He creates a nearly invincible antagonist that the protagonists has to work throughout the majority of the book to overcome. And the development is so slow and better parallels reality!
Dostoyevsky on the other hand. He creates a nearly invincible antagonist that the protagonists has to work throughout the majority of the book to overcome. And the development is so slow and better parallels reality!
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:20 pm to Andychapman13
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Great themes, true. But her construction of characters and social structures are so simplistic. She paints her antagonists/villains as such targets with apparent flaws and so easy to destroy.
Dostoyevsky on the other hand. He creates a nearly invincible antagonist that the protagonists has to work throughout the majority of the book to overcome. And the development is so slow and better parallels reality!
That's my point actually. Her prose/writing/character-development are not great at all but her themes are spot on, particularly in today's environment.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:22 pm to stickly
I’d rather read Marx and Engels. I prefer comedy.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:23 pm to Jyrdis
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I’d rather read Marx and Engels. I prefer comedy.
That's so obtuse I don't even know what you mean.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:25 pm to bhtigerfan
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’ve never read her books, but I watched the Atlas Shrugged movie and thought it was pretty terrible.
Was the book that much better?
Much
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