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re: A fact worth remembering: Those who don't believe in God argue against absolutes
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:07 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:07 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:i'm pretty sure you don't and i'm pretty sure i can prove it. it's more likely you subscribe to some form of utilitarianism or pragmatism or evolutionary ethics all of which are mildly interesting but not sufficient for a moral worldview
I am not a believer. Yet, I have a very firm grasp on right and wrong and care about others
quote:normally i would agree but in the case of morals, he was actually right even if he went about it in a crude manner
I do not understand the painting with such a broad brush
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:07 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Vote for Trump in 2020
May I? Are you completely sure?
I'd rally hate it if I stained your side with my evilness...
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:07 am to Flats
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One is rational (that doesn't necessarily mean correct) and one isn't; I'd say that's a difference.
i'm assuming you're saying the religious process is the rational one?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:07 am to Indefatigable
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What exactly are these wealthy atheist western individuals supposed to do about a protracted and domestic conflict in a nation on the other side of the world?
Send “thoughts and prayers” like good Christians
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:08 am to Jon A thon
quote:yes. definitively
So the God you were taught of is obviously the only rational, objective basis for morals
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:08 am to Flats
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Again, you can't call it progress if there's no objective goal.
My goal as a non believer is to live a "good" life and to that make a meaningful impact on other and this earth.
I would argue I do have an objective goal
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:08 am to Jon A thon
quote:The Biblical God is the only that provides the necessary preconditions for intelligibility for moral reasoning, yes.
So the God you were taught of is obviously the only rational, objective basis for morals.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:11 am to FooManChoo
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The Biblical God is the only that provides the necessary preconditions for intelligibility for moral reasoning, yes.
You believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. Your opinions are invalid.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm assuming you're saying the religious process is the rational one?
I didn't mention a religious process. I'm saying that if you believe in a supernatural source for objective morality then it's rational to believe in objective morality. Absent that belief in a source, it's not rational to believe in an objective morality that you can progress towards. You can progress towards your own ideals, but they're your personal opinion.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:11 am to FooManChoo
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250 years ago, many heartfelt God fearing Christians owned slaves. They didn't consider themselves morally wrong owning salves. Now, I'd argue that all Christians probably say owning slaves is morally wrong.
So, if morality isn't a social construct and comes from God, why are these two takes so different? Were God's teachings about morality different back then?
It seems like the people who promote the OP as correct just conveniently didn't answer my earlier post.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:11 am to bfniii
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but not sufficient for a moral worldview
According to you. What a nonsense statement
The arrogance that must come with believing that your belief system is the only way to establish morality. This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:11 am to Indefatigable
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Evidence that they don’t? What does “giving a shite” look like and how is it impactful in any way for irrelevant people to “give a shite”?
Simple. Evidenced by their complete silence on social media, since their virtue signaling about all the wrong stances, instead, is deafening.
It's telling that you're butthurt about, obviously your people, not giving a shite about innocent people being starved to death
Neocons are war mongers. Leftists are even worse warmongers.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:12 am to monsterballads
quote:it's more accurate to say that there is no basis for any moral decision outside of a transcendent moral anchor. it's crazy to me, absolutely mystifying that people don't know this. it goes to show how misled and warped knowledge of morality has become due to the liberal education system.
so you're saying people who don't believe in a deity have no morals?
i have to hand it to the libs. they set out to mislead everyone and they were very, very effective. most people in the west are lost when it comes to morals
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:12 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Evidenced by their complete silence on social media, since their virtue signaling about all the wrong stances, instead, is deafening.
Total generic nonsense
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:13 am to TacoNash
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My goal as a non believer is to live a "good" life and to that make a meaningful impact on other and this earth.
I would argue I do have an objective goal
Whose definition of "good"? Muslims who throw gays off of buildings believe they're doing good. You have a goal, it's just not objective.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:13 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Those who don't believe in God
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They don't believe in right and wrong.
Just chiming in to say this is a load of crap.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:14 am to bfniii
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it's more accurate to say that there is no basis for any moral decision outside of a transcendent moral anchor. it's crazy to me, absolutely mystifying that people don't know this.
That would be because it’s not some universal truth. It’s what you believe because it’s what your religion has taught you.
There is no “proving” that people cannot have a moral anchor outside of believing in a higher power or creator. That’s simply what YOU believe.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:15 am to Esquire
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You believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. Your opinions are invalid.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:15 am to omarlittle
quote:oh boy. here we go. someone who learned about religion from the back of a cracker jack box
So which God is the right one?
how do you want to approach this? do you want to talk about specific attempts at "god" or do you want to talk theism (monotheism, henotheism, pantheism, panentheism, polytheism)?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:15 am to bfniii
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it's more accurate to say that there is no basis for any moral decision outside of a transcendent moral anchor.
see even this is debatable, at least for humans living in society
we have been doing a trial and error for 12000 years and using the disruptions in society as a basis for developing morality
again, that is why morality was magically so similar across the world with many different "transcendent moral anchors"
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