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Objective thoughts on the debate
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:20 am
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:20 am
Trump started out interrupting too much. He got much better in the 2nd half of the debate
Biden was cognitively better than I expected but can still tell at times he gets confused
Biden is an a-hole to Trump.
Trump did good avoiding name calling while Biden did not.
Trump is always combative not sure why people are melting over this.
Trump did well on law and order, the economy, mail in voting. Covid was a wash. The first segment Biden did a bit better.
Trump calling Biden out on law enforcement, green new deal, judicial appointments, pointing out voter fraud, the spying on his campaign and emphasizing a vaccine will be ready soon were his strong points. Weak points was his bumbling answer on white supremacy when he was given a softball and could have flipped it on Biden and interrupting too much. Calling Biden out on super predator comment and crime bill probably negated any negativie effects from his white supremacy response.
Biden had no strong moments. His emotional appeal to families who lost someone to Covid and helping people will sell to white women voters. His weak points were his comments on Antifa, his economic answers were complete crap, and his stance on shutdown and reopening was all over the place. Biden just had little substance and mostly platitudes.
I give the edge to Trump. I think most voters were unchanged by the debate. I don’t think he did any favors to win over suburban women. I think other groups will see him as the winner and ultimately any gains or losses among each demographic will be a wash. He needs to do a little better next debate
Biden was cognitively better than I expected but can still tell at times he gets confused
Biden is an a-hole to Trump.
Trump did good avoiding name calling while Biden did not.
Trump is always combative not sure why people are melting over this.
Trump did well on law and order, the economy, mail in voting. Covid was a wash. The first segment Biden did a bit better.
Trump calling Biden out on law enforcement, green new deal, judicial appointments, pointing out voter fraud, the spying on his campaign and emphasizing a vaccine will be ready soon were his strong points. Weak points was his bumbling answer on white supremacy when he was given a softball and could have flipped it on Biden and interrupting too much. Calling Biden out on super predator comment and crime bill probably negated any negativie effects from his white supremacy response.
Biden had no strong moments. His emotional appeal to families who lost someone to Covid and helping people will sell to white women voters. His weak points were his comments on Antifa, his economic answers were complete crap, and his stance on shutdown and reopening was all over the place. Biden just had little substance and mostly platitudes.
I give the edge to Trump. I think most voters were unchanged by the debate. I don’t think he did any favors to win over suburban women. I think other groups will see him as the winner and ultimately any gains or losses among each demographic will be a wash. He needs to do a little better next debate
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Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:26 am to deltaland
When Biden looking into the camera and told us all how afraid and scared we were over Covid it was creepy as frick. Images like that will turn off many people.
I think the unreasonable attack on Trump for Covid decisions is a big time loser for Biden. Gives people a strong distaste I think. Biden should say, “I know you had tough decisions and were doing what you Thought was best but...”.
I think the unreasonable attack on Trump for Covid decisions is a big time loser for Biden. Gives people a strong distaste I think. Biden should say, “I know you had tough decisions and were doing what you Thought was best but...”.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:46 am to deltaland
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Biden had no strong moments. His emotional appeal to families who lost someone to Covid and helping people will sell to white women voters.
I don't think it will do all that well. Joe looked weak and pleading during those appeals to the public. He also looked incredibly old and frail during much of those times.
I agree on the interrupting. If he's going to interrupt then it should be only with a gut-punch not just "no" or "not true".
For example: when Joe mentioned he was put in charge of the economic recovery, Trump's interruption should have been "Yeah, good job with that. GDP was up and down like an EKG, businesses were inverting left and right... you presided over the slowest recovery in history. It wasn't until I came in and fixed your mistakes that the economy really took off."
Or when Joe brought up trade deals Trump should have jumped in with "you supported NAFTA, how did that work out for US manufacturing, Joe?"
Instead most of his interruptions were wasted opportunities.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:48 am to deltaland
Not only that but Trump was talking about Hunter and biden started talking about beau and how offended he was. He completely missed the train on that exchange. That was really creepy. 
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:49 am to Bard
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I don't think it will do all that well. Joe looked weak and pleading during those appeals to the public. He also looked incredibly old and frail during much of those times.
I agree on the interrupting. If he's going to interrupt then it should be only with a gut-punch not just "no" or "not true".
For example: when Joe mentioned he was put in charge of the economic recovery, Trump's interruption should have been "Yeah, good job with that. GDP was up and down like an EKG, businesses were inverting left and right... you presided over the slowest recovery in history. It wasn't until I came in and fixed your mistakes that the economy really took off."
Or when Joe brought up trade deals Trump should have jumped in with "you supported NAFTA, how did that work out for US manufacturing, Joe?"
Instead most of his interruptions were wasted opportunities.
Agreed. He wasn't very focused. He would be about to make a good rebuttal point and then just stop and start talking about something else.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:51 am to deltaland
Trumps humbling answer on white supremacy was his worst point by far. MSM is hammering him for it, claiming he “refused” to denounce white supremacy. He didn’t refuse, he just didn’t do it as dramatically as the moment deserved. The only refusal came from Biden on packing the court, and he even gave a reason for his refusal as it would become “the issue”. Imagine that, running for President and refusing to give your position on a major issue as it might become unpopular. What a world.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:00 am to Walkthedawg
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Not only that but Trump was talking about Hunter and biden started talking about beau and how offended he was. He completely missed the train on that exchange. That was really creepy.
If you are referring to Biden, he didn’t miss the train, he purposefully jumped on a different train. He can’t defend Hunter and deflected to the deceased son for sympathy and a distraction.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:05 am to deltaland
Saying that "you are your party" and then following it up by saying that you are powerless to fix looting and rioting because you aren't an elected official is BAD.
He also slandered KellyAnne Conway on air.
He also slandered KellyAnne Conway on air.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:25 am to deltaland
I went into the debate wanting to have a few laughs and to see if joe would have a moment where he lost his mind. Trump has my vote.
I found the crosstalk and Wallace’s horrible moderation to be so bad that I only made it through about 30 minutes in total.
Trump did interrupt far too often. I don’t think he did himself any favors by doing that. But I’m not sure he hurt himself either. We know Trump is a fighter.
Joe... he’s a dick. He was extraordinarily disrespectful with the name calling. I don’t think his answers were good and he avoided giving answers at times instead he played to emotions. But he’s a dem. I did find his avoidance on the stacking of Supreme Court justices to be a very damaging moment.
Ultimately, neither candidate did a good job. So Trump wins by default.
I found the crosstalk and Wallace’s horrible moderation to be so bad that I only made it through about 30 minutes in total.
Trump did interrupt far too often. I don’t think he did himself any favors by doing that. But I’m not sure he hurt himself either. We know Trump is a fighter.
Joe... he’s a dick. He was extraordinarily disrespectful with the name calling. I don’t think his answers were good and he avoided giving answers at times instead he played to emotions. But he’s a dem. I did find his avoidance on the stacking of Supreme Court justices to be a very damaging moment.
Ultimately, neither candidate did a good job. So Trump wins by default.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:30 am to Figgy
quote:All of that ugliness did not make Joe come off as the endearing elder statesman. He came off as a geriatric punk.
Joe... he’s a dick. He was extraordinarily disrespectful with the name calling
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to JawjaTigah
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All of that ugliness did not make Joe come off as the endearing elder statesman. He came off as a geriatric punk.
Yet they have the gall to say Trump’s behavior isn’t presidential. Joe’s personality is ugly and when it isn’t his ugly side showing he’s pandering. Trump’s is brash.
I’ll take Trump. Every single time.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:07 pm to DingLeeBerry
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If you are referring to Biden, he didn’t miss the train, he purposefully jumped on a different train. He can’t defend Hunter and deflected to the deceased son for sympathy and a distraction.
It didn't work, those were 2 different conversations. So the sympathy fell on deaf ears, it was projection at best
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:09 pm to deltaland
I agree with this
Posted on 9/30/20 at 3:14 pm to deltaland
Trump polled considerably better in the CBS debate poll 48-41 (-7) than he polled in ANY news station poll after the first debate in 2016. I think that tells you all you need to know. A considerably larger amount of people thought Trump won this first debate compared to 2016 when hardly anyone did and he still won the election.
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