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re: No Mask, No Care
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:49 am to Salmon
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:49 am to Salmon
To be fair though, "shutdown" and "open" mean different things for different countries. If you look up the current restrictions in France for example:
In the US, we wouldn't be calling that "open" at all. It's closer to a phase 1 or phase 2.
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RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE
No more than 10 people may gather in any public space at present.
The new school year for kindergartens, primary schools, secondary schools (collège) and high schools started as usual on 1 September 2020. Health measures are enforced according to the age of the students, including masks for pupils aged 11 or over and teachers.
In some circumstances a school or part of a school may shut for a short period. In this case, distance learning will be put in place by the school.
Universities will mix on-site learning and distance learning.
Many activities and places are subject to specific health precautions:
You have to wear a mask if you are 11 or over in enclosed public spaces: public transport, shops, museums…
You must wear a mask outside in some areas and towns, including Paris, Marseille and Lyon.
Bars and restaurants are open with adapted measures.
Strict health rules apply for shows, cinemas, casinos and so on. There is an upper limit of 5,000 people per venue. Nightclubs remain closed.
Stadiums and racing tracks may reopen to the public from 11 July. There is an upper limit of 5,000 people per venue.
In the US, we wouldn't be calling that "open" at all. It's closer to a phase 1 or phase 2.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:52 am to Centinel
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But I thought masks reduced the spread of Covid?
It's almost like masks have very little impact on the actual spread of the disease.
But hey, as long as it makes you feel safer, that's all that really matters.
I have some Hanes masks. First time i've worn whitey tighties in 35 years but it's on my face. This is all so stupid
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:52 am to Open Your Eyes
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The study is being used to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of allowing cloth masks. In what way is that use wrong?
It is being used to say that cloth masks increase infections rates compared to no masks. You may not be doing it, but others are.
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And again, you don’t get to play the other variables considered card when it’s clear they have not considered other variables at any point in this process.
Sure they have.
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Literally the 2 studies mentioned in the quote you responded to.
I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing these studies...
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You hate when other people point out the deficiencies in your arguments? Yes, I’d imagine that would make it difficult for you to have discussions.
Point out what deficiencies? You just spit out some strawman argument.
Hell, the study we are currently discussing goes into detail about the other variables about mask use.
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Oh I get it. Somebody hacked your account and posted about socioeconomic concerns. That wasn’t actually you, right?
....what?
I simply told you why the masks mandates don't mandate specific types of masks.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:04 am to liz18lsu
Ok,ok we get it... you're a tough SOB and total badass, now put on a mask then maybe this f'ing pandemic would end soon.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:07 am to lsunurse
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You don’t know the full history between the OP and myself and the other women on here(whom I’m actually really good friends with IRL). So butt out
Oh honey, your hatred for other women posters is legendary. I know TP posters in real life and your poor pitiful me schtick is getting old.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:09 am to Salmon
Germany has 1/4 the population of the United States. Italy has approximately 1/5 the population of the United States. France also has approximately 1/5 the population of the United States. South Korea has approximately 1/6 the population of the United States.
Seven day moving average number of deaths:
United States: 759
Germany: 9
Italy: 18
France: 64
S. Korea: 3
What could the difference be I wonder?
Seven day moving average number of deaths:
United States: 759
Germany: 9
Italy: 18
France: 64
S. Korea: 3
What could the difference be I wonder?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:12 am to Lokistale
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now put on a mask then maybe this f'ing pandemic would end soon.
It's just until we flatten the curve, right?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:13 am to Centinel
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It's just until we flatten the curve, right?
15 days to slow the spread.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:14 am to Dances with Possums
quote:When the virus first arrived and how deaths are counted/reported.
What could the difference be I wonder?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:18 am to fallguy_1978
I just find it hilarious when people still say "this will all be over if you just wear your damn mask!!!!"
Almost everyone is wearing a mask, and has been for two months now at a minimum. And shite hasn't ended anywhere except maybe Florida, who's governor is now being (extra)crucified by the media for doing so.
"This will all be over if we just flatten the curve!"
"This will all be over if we just get hospitalizations down!"
"This will all be over if we just get deaths down!"
"This will all be over if we just get the positive cases down!"
So pardon me if I laugh in the fricking face of anyone stupid or naive enough to really believe "this will all be over if you just wear your mask!!!"
Almost everyone is wearing a mask, and has been for two months now at a minimum. And shite hasn't ended anywhere except maybe Florida, who's governor is now being (extra)crucified by the media for doing so.
"This will all be over if we just flatten the curve!"
"This will all be over if we just get hospitalizations down!"
"This will all be over if we just get deaths down!"
"This will all be over if we just get the positive cases down!"
So pardon me if I laugh in the fricking face of anyone stupid or naive enough to really believe "this will all be over if you just wear your mask!!!"
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:21 am to liz18lsu
quote:Your work here is done
liz18lsu
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:24 am to Dances with Possums
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United States: 759
Germany: 9
Italy: 18
France: 64
S. Korea: 3
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What could the difference be I wonder?
They speak different languages.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:25 am to Salmon
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It is being used to say that cloth masks increase infections rates compared to no masks. You may not be doing it, but others are.
Since you didn’t answer the question that you quoted, I’ll just post it again:
“The study is being used to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of allowing cloth masks. In what way is that use wrong?”
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Sure they have.
When? Where? Show your proof.
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I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing these studies...
Well I’m not going to apologize for your inability or unwillingness to read, so...
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Point out what deficiencies?
Deficiencies like the fact that you tried to use socioeconomic reasons as justification for something policymakers did or didn’t do when it’s clear those reasons have not, and in many places still are not, been considered in anything else with regard to policy making around this.
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You just spit out some strawman argument.
Showing the stupidity of your argument isn’t a strawman.
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Hell, the study we are currently discussing goes into detail about the other variables about mask use.
Where does the study mention anything about socioeconomic variables?
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....what? I simply told you why the masks mandates don't mandate specific types of masks
And then I simply told you why your reasoning for that is laughable.
And then you started complaining about when “yall do this” and insisted you were specifically trying to discuss the linked study, after you brought up something that’s nowhere in the study.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:26 am to tketaco
Lowe's didn't force masks until late in the game, and they seem to be turning a blind eye now, so I will choose Lowe's every time.
I've noticed Academy Sports isn't forcing masks, anymore, either. Also, Ace Hardware no longer has a person at the door forcing it, so most people don't wear it.
I've noticed Academy Sports isn't forcing masks, anymore, either. Also, Ace Hardware no longer has a person at the door forcing it, so most people don't wear it.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:26 am to Wolfhound45
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Your work here is done
I was hoping for more Liz/Nurse catfighting to be honest. The substantive mask discussions are a distraction.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:29 am to Mo Jeaux
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The substantive mask discussions are a distraction.
Yes, but like abortion, if it goes on long enough, it'll change things and someone will reverse their stance!!
Not.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:31 am to Mo Jeaux
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I was hoping for more Liz/Nurse catfighting to be honest. The substantive mask discussions are a distraction.
Women are so catty to each other sometimes
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:34 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:They are FB friends. That is what kills me
I was hoping for more Liz/Nurse catfighting to be honest.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:35 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 9/28/20 at 10:42 am to Open Your Eyes
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“The study is being used to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of allowing cloth masks. In what way is that use wrong?”
Cloth masks don't work as well as medical masks. Literally no one has ever debated that. It isn't wrong. It just isn't anything new.
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Well I’m not going to apologize for your inability or unwillingness to read, so...
I went back and read all of our exchanges and saw zero references to other studies...
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Deficiencies like the fact that you tried to use socioeconomic reasons as justification for something policymakers did or didn’t do when it’s clear those reasons have not, and in many places still are not, been considered in anything else with regard to policy making around this.
I mean...they have. They could have been ignore in some places and not so much in others. This isn't a binary issue here.
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Where does the study mention anything about socioeconomic variables?
in the "Discussion"
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And then you started complaining about when “yall do this” and insisted you were specifically trying to discuss the linked study, after you brought up something that’s nowhere in the study.
Ummm...what? Did you actually read the study?
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Cloth masks are used in resource-poor settings because of the reduced cost of a reusable option. Various types of cloth masks (made of cotton, gauze and other fibres) have been tested in vitro in the past and show lower filtration capacity compared with disposable masks.
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Pandemics and emerging infections are more likely to arise in low-income or middle-income settings than in wealthy countries.
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In the interest of providing safe, low-cost options in low income countries, there is scope for research into more effectively designed cloth masks, but until such research is carried out, cloth masks should not be recommended.
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