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re: Everything isn't political or social.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:12 pm to bod312
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:12 pm to bod312
As a white male from a small southern town, I have been the victim of racism my entire life. From fellow students, teachers, police, FEMA, public policies on education regarding where I could go to school vs my neighbors who were black, my college admissions, hiring practices, and now, everyone in America, including other white people. And not once have I ever treated another man or woman differently or with any less respect for it.
But what my life has taught me, is that there is no shortage of racists in America, they just aren't as white as people are told to believe. They're the poor, the uneducated, the miseducated, and the people who place the blame for their failures at the feet of others. I worked delivering newspapers, I worked in a grocery store, I worked my summers, through high school and college, I worked nights to get in with better companies, I studied on my own time what I wanted to be. And not once have I been given something because of my skin color. But you damn well know there were plenty of people hired on my teams simply to meet diversity quotas due to affirmative action.
We can agree that racism exists, but my view of systemic racism is factual, based on government policies that discriminate against people who look like me, simply because they look like me. But no one wants to talk about that do they? No, people nowadays just don't want to sleep in the bed they've made for themselves through years and years of proving stereotypes correct. So I applaud you for being an example for others to follow, but you have no fricking clue what it was like growing up white, even before all this started, and pretending everything was just peachy because everyone loves whitey and hates blacky makes you ignorant at best, and racist at worst. I'm not mad at you though.
But what my life has taught me, is that there is no shortage of racists in America, they just aren't as white as people are told to believe. They're the poor, the uneducated, the miseducated, and the people who place the blame for their failures at the feet of others. I worked delivering newspapers, I worked in a grocery store, I worked my summers, through high school and college, I worked nights to get in with better companies, I studied on my own time what I wanted to be. And not once have I been given something because of my skin color. But you damn well know there were plenty of people hired on my teams simply to meet diversity quotas due to affirmative action.
We can agree that racism exists, but my view of systemic racism is factual, based on government policies that discriminate against people who look like me, simply because they look like me. But no one wants to talk about that do they? No, people nowadays just don't want to sleep in the bed they've made for themselves through years and years of proving stereotypes correct. So I applaud you for being an example for others to follow, but you have no fricking clue what it was like growing up white, even before all this started, and pretending everything was just peachy because everyone loves whitey and hates blacky makes you ignorant at best, and racist at worst. I'm not mad at you though.
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:14 pm to cardee2003
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Why are we not seeing white men die like George Floyd???
We do....it's called "drug overdose".....
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:15 pm to Flats
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Muslim isn’t a race, mensa.
Neither is "black", captain obvious. It does, however, describe a prominent characteristic of peoples from specific parts of the world.
He sure as hell wasn't talking about white muslim converts from France. The details of his initial "muslim ban" prove it was about people from a geographic region and not based on religion.
Next.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:16 pm to cardee2003
I don't want to be disrespectful but I would like to respond to your claim.
red lining While this may still exist, I would think that this is more about economics than race. I also think that a lot of the black/white arguments I hear are really about wealth. More on that on another day.
voter suppression I know that this was common a long time ago. I saw it. But again, in my experience and I am somewhat involved in politics, this is not really happening now. Voter suppression is often the argument when people refuse to make it easier to vote without ID or without a physical presence at the poll. But that is more about a resistance to change, not suppression.
police brutality I know that there are some police officers who should never have been given a gun and I know that some white officers mistrust black people because they more often have to deal with black people who commit crimes, but I do not think that police as a whole pick on black people. In my experience, my black clients are often more defiant, less likely to want to be ordered around, and less trusting of police, which tends to lead to more negative engagements. I suggest that better pay and more training of the police would solve a lot of this.
job discrimination I just have to completely disagree here. I believe that the system actually discriminates most against whites and asians but is designed to favor black people.
Character defamation I can't see that as real. Claims like that are a case by case, not racially based, at least system wide.
excessive criminal sentencing I deal with the justice system every day. I see no real sentencing discrimination. A large portion of the prosecutors and judges I deal with are black people. Are you saying that those people discriminate against black people? Each defendant has a trial and a chance for a review of an excessive sentence. If there is a problem with the system, it is again that it is wealth based. The rich can afford the best lawyers and most complete defenses. The poor get what they are given. It just happens that a lot of black people are poor, but poor whites get treated the same way.
red lining While this may still exist, I would think that this is more about economics than race. I also think that a lot of the black/white arguments I hear are really about wealth. More on that on another day.
voter suppression I know that this was common a long time ago. I saw it. But again, in my experience and I am somewhat involved in politics, this is not really happening now. Voter suppression is often the argument when people refuse to make it easier to vote without ID or without a physical presence at the poll. But that is more about a resistance to change, not suppression.
police brutality I know that there are some police officers who should never have been given a gun and I know that some white officers mistrust black people because they more often have to deal with black people who commit crimes, but I do not think that police as a whole pick on black people. In my experience, my black clients are often more defiant, less likely to want to be ordered around, and less trusting of police, which tends to lead to more negative engagements. I suggest that better pay and more training of the police would solve a lot of this.
job discrimination I just have to completely disagree here. I believe that the system actually discriminates most against whites and asians but is designed to favor black people.
Character defamation I can't see that as real. Claims like that are a case by case, not racially based, at least system wide.
excessive criminal sentencing I deal with the justice system every day. I see no real sentencing discrimination. A large portion of the prosecutors and judges I deal with are black people. Are you saying that those people discriminate against black people? Each defendant has a trial and a chance for a review of an excessive sentence. If there is a problem with the system, it is again that it is wealth based. The rich can afford the best lawyers and most complete defenses. The poor get what they are given. It just happens that a lot of black people are poor, but poor whites get treated the same way.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:17 pm to OutOfNames
The white grievance platform is hilarious 
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:18 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:My parents, both born in the early 40’s are not racists.
Again, I'm of the generation whose parents were born in the 30, and 40's.
When I was about 4 or 5 years old (this would be around 1972-73), I called my sister a ni**er in the car and my parents heard me. When we got home, my mother took me into the bathroom, grabbed my toothbrush and a bar of soap. She took the toothbrush and scrubbed it full of soap and made me brush my teeth with it. Soap is not a good toothpaste. Not pleasant.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:19 pm to MurraytheDivot
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Next.
You are wrong.
Next!
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:19 pm to MurraytheDivot
You don’t have an interest in his experiences?
You’re a fraud.
You’re a fraud.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:20 pm to MurraytheDivot
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The white grievance platform is hilarious
Black people are more racist than white people in Current Year....
Deal with it, new boy.....
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:22 pm to Azkiger
I'm reposting these questions I posed a number of pages back because neither the OP or anyone else even attempted to address them.
Pretty simple questions. Why do you support black criminals, rapists and armed robbers, who do real harm to black women and children? For people who claim that black lives matter, it's obvious that you don't really believe that when violence against the women who are the foundation of the black community is ignored. Instead, you deify violent, predatory black men.
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That wasn't the question, hoss. The question was why does this black man care less about a pregnant black woman and her unborn black child than he does a criminal piece of shite black man. By the same standard, why does this black man care more about the black male rapist in Wisconsin than the black woman he raped?
Pretty simple questions. Why do you support black criminals, rapists and armed robbers, who do real harm to black women and children? For people who claim that black lives matter, it's obvious that you don't really believe that when violence against the women who are the foundation of the black community is ignored. Instead, you deify violent, predatory black men.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Watch this video.
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- I have to act white to fit in
How exactly would they like to act? I'm a bit different in professional settings than I am around friends and family, but I've never seen that as a situation tied to race. I'm curious as to what they think they should be able to do that would be seen as acceptable in their professional settings that they can't because of some sort of racial understanding.
Dave Chappell, Keeping it real.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:36 pm to cardee2003
17 pages and we continue to talk past each other...just like in society at large today.
Both pro and anti BLM are unwilling to cede any inconvenient truths.
There is absolutely still systemic racism (primarily the legacies of Jim Crow era) that can't be denied. A short list: Placing major highways, refineries, etc in or near historically black neighborhoods, devaluing those properties and leading to health issues. More, although certainly not all, white families have had a better opportunity to build generational wealth. White flight from cities also left inner city black folks with a void of resources.
On the flip side. I've yet to see a single BLMer acknowledge the breakdown of the family, glorification of gang culture, perpetual victim/entitlement mentality in any way affecting the reasons why we continue to see social and economic inequalities disproportionately affecting them. If we are going to talk about 'systemic' approaches, these are massive issues that have to be addressed as inconvenient as they might be..
Demonizing white folks, promoting diversity quotas and the 'woke' inquisition, etc continue to build resentment to your cause, which most objective and empathetic people would otherwise be behind.
Both pro and anti BLM are unwilling to cede any inconvenient truths.
There is absolutely still systemic racism (primarily the legacies of Jim Crow era) that can't be denied. A short list: Placing major highways, refineries, etc in or near historically black neighborhoods, devaluing those properties and leading to health issues. More, although certainly not all, white families have had a better opportunity to build generational wealth. White flight from cities also left inner city black folks with a void of resources.
On the flip side. I've yet to see a single BLMer acknowledge the breakdown of the family, glorification of gang culture, perpetual victim/entitlement mentality in any way affecting the reasons why we continue to see social and economic inequalities disproportionately affecting them. If we are going to talk about 'systemic' approaches, these are massive issues that have to be addressed as inconvenient as they might be..
Demonizing white folks, promoting diversity quotas and the 'woke' inquisition, etc continue to build resentment to your cause, which most objective and empathetic people would otherwise be behind.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:48 pm to MurraytheDivot
quote:You dumbfrick, his ban was on certain countries that were Muslim majority.
He sure as hell wasn't talking about white muslim converts from France. The details of his initial "muslim ban" prove it was about people from a geographic region and not based on religion.
So, not a “Muslim ban.” But you’re too fricking stupid and dishonest to admit it.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:49 pm to Admiral_Dawg
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There is absolutely still systemic racism (primarily the legacies of Jim Crow era) that can't be denied. A short list: Placing major highways, refineries, etc in or near historically black neighborhoods, devaluing those properties and leading to health issues. More, although certainly not all, white families have had a better opportunity to build generational wealth. White flight from cities also left inner city black folks with a void of resources.
On the flip side. I've yet to see a single BLMer acknowledge the breakdown of the family, glorification of gang culture, perpetual victim/entitlement mentality in any way affecting the reasons why we continue to see social and economic inequalities disproportionately affecting them
They blame the breakdown of the family unit on the things you referenced and on the war on drugs.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:54 pm to Admiral_Dawg
Everyone deals with racism. All races profile and stereotype each other, even themselves. Blacks are 7 times more likely to commit murder than whites. Not 20% more likely. Not twice as likely. SEVEN TIMES more likely. People are not stupid. They know who is more likely to hurt them. I haven't seen very many videos in the past few days of whites sucker-punching blacks, but I have seen the other way around. The FBI crime statistics don't lie. It reflects what people see on the news and in their communities. Racism is real because the races are different and have different behavioral trends. I'll reiterate to the OP that while black people stereotype whites as a race who cant dance and generally discriminate against blacks, whites also profile and stereotype blacks as potential sources of problems like violence and crime because they are 7 times more likely to commit murder. Oh, I almost forgot: Blacks are 7.1 times more likely to commit robbery too. In my personal experience I've been burglarized twice. In both instances it was a black male who committed the crime. Is it racist for me to be more wary of theft when in a predominantly black community? Probably. Is it a reasonable assumption that I am more likely to be robbed in a black community? The statistics say definitely yes.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:07 pm to MurraytheDivot
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The white grievance platform is hilarious
I know, right? I almost pissed my pants laughing when those two “teens” punched a 75 year old white woman, and when the dude kicked that near-unconscious truck driver in the head in Portland? That shite was hilarious, fo’ real.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:09 pm to Admiral_Dawg
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Placing major highways, refineries, etc in or near historically black neighborhoods, devaluing those properties and leading to health issues.
Baw, where they building major highways today?
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generational wealth
Only 1 in 5 people of any color receives an inheritance. The median inheritance is around $70k. Generational wealth is a canard in the racism discussion.
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white flight
You can’t make people stay in shitty schools or in dangerous neighborhoods. People are mobile.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:10 pm to WizardSleeve
Crime is also a function of poverty and where you live. Go out to any rural parish and you're much more likely to be robbed by some white meth head trailer trash than you are rural black folks, also speaking from experience.
Having said that, as I mentioned above, there is absolutely an element of urban black popular culture that glorifies crime and violence.
Having said that, as I mentioned above, there is absolutely an element of urban black popular culture that glorifies crime and violence.
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