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Sawstop vs. Powermatic vs. Grizzly Table Saw
Posted on 9/3/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 9/3/20 at 3:20 pm
Plan on upgrading to a cabinet/hybrid saw soon. Wondering what people's experiences with these brands are. Really dove into woodworking and getting into making some furniture. I'm a perfectionist and can drive myself insane trying to get my jobsite saw aligned.
I know Sawstop is a great saw. Pricing is just very high. And to get the nice fence system, you have to get the 36" fence which is a bit large to fit in the bay of the garage I work in. Doable, but not ideal. I don't need much rip capacity as I have a really nice track saw for those cuts. Would also probably end up with the 1.75 HP professional cabinet saw
Also interested in the Powermatic PM1000. Another 1.75 HP saw. Know it's a great brand, but again, on the high end of what I'd like to spend.
The big question is Grizzly. I can get a 3HP 240V saw for about 400 less than either of the other 2. On paper it seems to be pretty nice. But with an online only distribution, I can't really put my hands on it to see.
I know Sawstop is a great saw. Pricing is just very high. And to get the nice fence system, you have to get the 36" fence which is a bit large to fit in the bay of the garage I work in. Doable, but not ideal. I don't need much rip capacity as I have a really nice track saw for those cuts. Would also probably end up with the 1.75 HP professional cabinet saw
Also interested in the Powermatic PM1000. Another 1.75 HP saw. Know it's a great brand, but again, on the high end of what I'd like to spend.
The big question is Grizzly. I can get a 3HP 240V saw for about 400 less than either of the other 2. On paper it seems to be pretty nice. But with an online only distribution, I can't really put my hands on it to see.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 3:36 pm to Jon A thon
I have had a grizzly G1023 and now have the Sawstop PCS. The grizzly is a good saw. Dust collection isn’t great. The fit and finish on it is ok. Overall it was a good saw. Had a near accident and sold it for the 3hp PCS. The sawstop’s fit and finish are superior. Everything went together perfectly. With the blade guard you get near 100% dust collection on rip cuts. And it’s still pretty good without the blade guard. Both will get the job done and do it well. I’m really happy I made the switch to sawstop but if it was out of my budget I wouldn’t have a problem with the grizzly.
This post was edited on 9/3/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 9/3/20 at 6:32 pm to Jon A thon
I have the Grizzly Cabinet Saw. If you can get 240V and run a dedicated line. I have 240 for Saw, Planner, Jointer, and Dust Collector.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 7:22 pm to Jon A thon
SawStop Professional cabinet also has a pretty good integrated dust collection system. That was another feature than sold me on SawStop. Been using for several years now and still haven't set off a cartridge. The only downside is having to change to a different cartridge when using a dado blade.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 8:13 pm to Jon A thon
1 3/4 hp is really under powered imo.
3 would be my minimum if I was looking at a cabinet type saw.
5hp is ideal.
Might be worth it to look around On fb marketplace and find an older 3hp powermatic 66 and maybe upgrade to a biesmeyer fence.
3 would be my minimum if I was looking at a cabinet type saw.
5hp is ideal.
Might be worth it to look around On fb marketplace and find an older 3hp powermatic 66 and maybe upgrade to a biesmeyer fence.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 9:16 pm to Jon A thon
Don't know if you have any travel plans that take you thru Springfield MO, but Grizzly has a big showroom there and they have some really good deals on floor models.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:20 am to Jon A thon
I would definitely go with the 3 HP Grizzly over 1.75 HP options of the others, but if I were you, I'd save and get the 3 HP Sawstop. I've got a 5 HP Grizzly and it's a great saw, cuts straight, plenty of power for anything I'd throw at it, but the dust collection isn't all that great. I've been considering selling it for a Sawstop just to have the nice fit and finish and better dust collection, the safety feature is an a great bonus too.
Powermatic would be last on the list for me, the fit and finish may be a bit better than a Grizzly, but not worth the cost IMO, now an older Powermatic may get me interested, but not a new one.
Powermatic would be last on the list for me, the fit and finish may be a bit better than a Grizzly, but not worth the cost IMO, now an older Powermatic may get me interested, but not a new one.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:25 am to Jon A thon
I've got a friend that started his own cabinetmaking business many years ago and he bought just about all Grizzly tools for his shop and he had nothing but good things to say about them.
I have bought many shaper and router bits/cutters from Grizzly and they are excellent in my opinion. At my age I'm probably not going to buy any more large shop tools unless one gives out, but if I do, it will be Grizzly.
I have bought many shaper and router bits/cutters from Grizzly and they are excellent in my opinion. At my age I'm probably not going to buy any more large shop tools unless one gives out, but if I do, it will be Grizzly.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 8:53 pm to Jon A thon
Grizzly sells very good tools. The are probably not as nice as the other brands but for the money they are sufficient. I have a 2 HP grizzly hybrid saw with a incra fence and I’ve never used a better saw. Mine is about 8 years old and it stays tuned up like it’s brand new....and at times it has been used like a production saw. Can’t be beat at the price.
A note on voltage......a multi voltage motor pulls the same load at 240 as it does at 120 volts. The only advantage is you can pull smaller wire....but you have 3 instead of 2 so that’s not really that much of advantage. Normally install costs will be more because of the amount of copper in 3 smaller conductors than in 2 larger conductors. The motor will perform identically either way. And last as long, either way. The same is true of all single phase and 3 phase WYE circuits. There is some applications where 3 phase delta circuits, either single or 3 phase, depending which phases are connected to the load, where on leg is a higher voltage than the others and therefore there is less current on that leg. This is fairly common in industrial and commercial applications but in my experience unheard of in residential applications in the US. It is common in Europe and most of the world but not here. A motor operates at its rated HP and pulls the same load regardless of its being 120/208 single phase or 240 volt single/3 phase. There is a slight difference between 208 and 240 in current. The same is true of 277/480 wye systems.....the current is the same on one conductor, or half that on 2 or roughly 1/3 that on 3. No difference in speed or torque but start up current can be different.
A note on voltage......a multi voltage motor pulls the same load at 240 as it does at 120 volts. The only advantage is you can pull smaller wire....but you have 3 instead of 2 so that’s not really that much of advantage. Normally install costs will be more because of the amount of copper in 3 smaller conductors than in 2 larger conductors. The motor will perform identically either way. And last as long, either way. The same is true of all single phase and 3 phase WYE circuits. There is some applications where 3 phase delta circuits, either single or 3 phase, depending which phases are connected to the load, where on leg is a higher voltage than the others and therefore there is less current on that leg. This is fairly common in industrial and commercial applications but in my experience unheard of in residential applications in the US. It is common in Europe and most of the world but not here. A motor operates at its rated HP and pulls the same load regardless of its being 120/208 single phase or 240 volt single/3 phase. There is a slight difference between 208 and 240 in current. The same is true of 277/480 wye systems.....the current is the same on one conductor, or half that on 2 or roughly 1/3 that on 3. No difference in speed or torque but start up current can be different.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 4:16 pm to Jon A thon
Got the shop wired up on Monday. Just ripped through a few hundred feed of Walnut. Didn't even use a rip blade, just a good quality combo blade. That 3 HP sawstop went through it like butter. Still probably would be okay with the 1.75HP if I had to buy new, but beyond happy I found the 3HP saw used. Thanks to all who pointed me in this direction. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconcheers.gif)
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