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Col Nutt and the Ole Miss "Tradition"
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:10 pm
As a Hog fan, I'm curious if you view Ole Miss as a real threat now with Colonel Nutt at the helm? Ole Miss fans argue that they have a much deeper tradition than Arkansas, and Nutt will have more to work with. I don't think Ole Miss has won the a conference championship since Kennedy was President. With the exception of LSU, Arkansas has placed more players in the NFL, than any other team in the SEC over the past few years, but we still have ZERO championships and only 2 bowl wins in the Nutt era, not to mention we have never played in a BCS bowl. Classic example of doing less with more. Know way we should have lost 5 games last year! I think that Ole Miss will continue to be the Glass Joe of the SEC West, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Petrino will do with the Hogs. If he can kick it up a notch, you guys might have a TRUE rival in the SEC. Hope you guys pour it on Ole Miss when you play them!!
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:12 pm to SirPackdaddy
Have you ever been to Oxford? It's not exactly a place where top notch athletes are dying to spend their next 3-4 years. I'm not worried about Ole Miss becoming an equal anytime soon with Nutt at the helm. I can see a few 7-8 win seasons in their future, but that's about it.
This post was edited on 7/30/08 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:13 pm to SirPackdaddy
I think Ole Miss can put a quality team on the field this year. They definately have the capability to surprise some teams and play spoiler. With Jevan Snead at the helm of the offense (a guy many in Austin still believe should have won the job over Colt McCoy) and a stout defensive line, they will cause some teams trouble and win a game or two they shouldn't.
I like Oxford...just saying
quote:
Have you ever been to Oxford?
I like Oxford...just saying
This post was edited on 7/30/08 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:35 pm to bigpapamac
Watchout for the nutster. He's a great coach.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:36 pm to Sundancer
He's definitely a good coach, but I'm not so sure about "great". Great coaches win championships, and he didn't do that at Arkansas.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:47 pm to Stromile Swift
I respectfully highly disagree. Nutt was an average coach....not even in the same class as Dinardo. ZERO Bowl Wins or championships with Felix Jones and D-Mac. 1 Bowl win (Shreveport), and zero Championships with Matt Jones. Make no mistake, the Hogs beating you this past year had more to do with s few great players, and the WildHog formation, that was created by Gus Malzahn before Nutt ran him off to Tulsa. Once again, no way we should have lost 5 games last year.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:52 pm to SirPackdaddy
quote:
I respectfully highly disagree. Nutt was an average coach....not even in the same class as Dinardo. ZERO Bowl Wins or championships with Felix Jones and D-Mac. 1 Bowl win (Shreveport), and zero Championships with Matt Jones.
Please stop talking. Arkansas did not have much after that. Nutt did a hell of alot with less at Arkansas.
Posted on 7/30/08 at 11:53 pm to SirPackdaddy
Sorry, I had to laugh. I've just never seen the words Ole Miss and Tradition on the same line.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 12:01 am to SirPackdaddy
I don't know about a real threat, but I think they will be better this year.
This post was edited on 7/31/08 at 12:02 am
Posted on 7/31/08 at 12:19 am to Hello Newman
Hello Newman. I will gladly retreat back to Hogville, but your Nutt did less with more......lol!!!! Petrino will raise the Hogs to greater heights than the Nuttster ever did. LSU hands down, is the best team of the decade, but before Sabban arrived,you were 45 years removed from a National Championship, and Dinardo brought you guys back from the abyss of the SEC.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 12:32 am to SirPackdaddy
Sir Paddy, first let me tell you, that I have a grandfather in Crossett, Ark and several uncles and aunts who still live there. I know about as much about Arkansas football as most of Arkansas (unfortunately) although it does make the rivalry fun. You see before Nutt you had the inept Danny Ford. Nutt came in and took the same team that Ford had basically to an 8 or 9 win season. He was also a consistent winner over the time with consistently the best offensive line in the SEC and by the way Petrino wont win at Arkansas because you're facilities, and the PIGSCREEN still dont bring the athletes in. Personally i will be watching and laughing my arse off when Ole Miss comes to Ark. and beats them. By the way Arkansas has always gotten spectacular players aka Jones, DMac, F. Jones, etc., but they have never been able to recruit a whole team because it is Arkansas and unless you're are doing well in Texas you won't relieve the old southwestern conference.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 12:47 am to SirPackdaddy
Yeah, Casey Dick, or whatever his name is played the game of his life against us, and he stank a bit. However that long 4th down perp-body pass he did still haunts me a bit, good play by the kid.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 2:16 am to IceTiger
Posted on 7/31/08 at 3:31 am to los angeles tiger
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Sorry, I had to laugh. I've just never seen the words Ole Miss and Tradition on the same line.
well then you know nothing about college football. As much as they have bit the big one the last few years, they were a national powerhouse for some years back in the day of Vaught and Archie.
To add to the topic. Ole Miss has gotten some talent the last couple years under some pretty decent recruiting by Orgeron and now that they have a competent coach and a pretty talented QB I wouldn't be surprised if they ruined a few team's seasons.
That being said, LSU dominates in Baton Rouge. Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 5:21 am to SirPackdaddy
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but before Sabban arrived,you were 45 years removed from a National Championship,and Dinardo brought you guys back from the abyss of the SEC.
It might have been 45 yrs from a NC but LSU still won SEC titles scattered throughout those yrs and was going to bowl games and having winning seasons...
Dinardo brought us out of a LSU's darkest era known as Curly Hallman which lasted only a few yrs., which until then LSU had never had 3 losing season in row in its, at that time, 100 year history if I am not mistaken, he did not bring us out of a 45 yr. slide as you are trying to suggest with your statement...
Posted on 7/31/08 at 7:18 am to LSURulzSEC
Neither O.Miss or Ms. State has enuff $$$$$ to continually be a strong player in either the SEC West or the conference as a whole. Their stadiums are maxed out...at 57,000 each approximately & this is after recent upgrades. That rite there limits what they can do to compete in the conference. I am not saying that there are not rich supporters at either school,but they are just limited in fund raising,in comparision to the other teams, and the bottom line is it takes $$$$ to keep up in this conference.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 7:31 am to Keltic Tiger
I think with Nutt, Ole Miss will be a consistent bowl team starting this upcoming season, and with the right player or two could be a 9-10 win team once in a while (much like his tenure at Arkansas). I think Nutt is an excellent coach, just not very good in the big games (tends to out think himself). If he is put in the situation where he has to make a really big decision, he seems to make the wrong one everytime, but overall, he's a good coach.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 8:00 am to LSURulzSEC
Sirpak...
<<but before Sabban arrived,you were 45 years removed from a National Championship,and Dinardo brought you guys back from the abyss of the SEC>>
Huh??
Not sure what you are talking about. We were Bamas' only decent threat for much of the late 1960s and early 1970s, we had a decent program to wrap the 1970s up and either finished first or second in the SEC in 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987
and 1988, 6 times in 8 years.
Why people put so much stock into that 1989-1994
period is beyond me. LSU has been either a top ten or close to a top 10 program for 100 years.
Our so called "abyss" had everything to do with hiring two terrible gameday coaches back to back who couldn't recruit worth a damn either (Archer and Hallman). Even DiNardo with his limited coaching ability accrued 10-2 and 9-3 seasons.
Trying to say LSU was in a "45 year slide" is simply BS. Just like what Bama is going through now, (except Bama may not pull out of it anytime soon) 1989-1994 was a bad time for LSU.
LSU hired Stovall, Arnsbarger, Archer,and Hallman over the next 12 years. None of these guys had the complete package, and the money they were paid was indicitive to that. LSU turned the corner by making the committment to a total program in 1998.
The rest is history, past, present and future.
-----------------------------------------------
Bottom line--
LSU... and only LSU...caused it's own abyss.
It really doesn;t matter what anyone else does
in this "evolved" state of the SEC.
An example.
Head over to Wilkipedia and review the records of Florida Gators since 1980. I would invite all to review how many SEC titles Florida had prior to 1990.
I would THEN invite you to see how many losing seasons UF has had over the last quarter century.
Florida evolved.
You can now insert LSU under that same criteria. If anything, LSU is now equal, or even better.
You'll never be able to insert Ole Miss there.
<<but before Sabban arrived,you were 45 years removed from a National Championship,and Dinardo brought you guys back from the abyss of the SEC>>
Huh??
Not sure what you are talking about. We were Bamas' only decent threat for much of the late 1960s and early 1970s, we had a decent program to wrap the 1970s up and either finished first or second in the SEC in 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987
and 1988, 6 times in 8 years.
Why people put so much stock into that 1989-1994
period is beyond me. LSU has been either a top ten or close to a top 10 program for 100 years.
Our so called "abyss" had everything to do with hiring two terrible gameday coaches back to back who couldn't recruit worth a damn either (Archer and Hallman). Even DiNardo with his limited coaching ability accrued 10-2 and 9-3 seasons.
Trying to say LSU was in a "45 year slide" is simply BS. Just like what Bama is going through now, (except Bama may not pull out of it anytime soon) 1989-1994 was a bad time for LSU.
LSU hired Stovall, Arnsbarger, Archer,and Hallman over the next 12 years. None of these guys had the complete package, and the money they were paid was indicitive to that. LSU turned the corner by making the committment to a total program in 1998.
The rest is history, past, present and future.
-----------------------------------------------
Bottom line--
LSU... and only LSU...caused it's own abyss.
It really doesn;t matter what anyone else does
in this "evolved" state of the SEC.
An example.
Head over to Wilkipedia and review the records of Florida Gators since 1980. I would invite all to review how many SEC titles Florida had prior to 1990.
I would THEN invite you to see how many losing seasons UF has had over the last quarter century.
Florida evolved.
You can now insert LSU under that same criteria. If anything, LSU is now equal, or even better.
You'll never be able to insert Ole Miss there.
Posted on 7/31/08 at 8:08 am to SirPackdaddy
He might do as much or less than Spurrier at SC, but it's Ole Piss...........
Posted on 7/31/08 at 8:28 am to TheCaterpillar
I'll pretty much second what TheCaterpillar had to say.
I'm looking for a solid 5 or 6 wins this year. Ole Miss has more talent that last year's campaign showed. Nutt seems like a good fit for Ole Miss. Has a history of getting the most out of his talent, which is a big deal at a school that isn't going to pull in many Rivals Top 100 guys. He seems like the right guy for the program right now.
I'm looking for a solid 5 or 6 wins this year. Ole Miss has more talent that last year's campaign showed. Nutt seems like a good fit for Ole Miss. Has a history of getting the most out of his talent, which is a big deal at a school that isn't going to pull in many Rivals Top 100 guys. He seems like the right guy for the program right now.
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