re: Trump on his way back new poll shows.

Well delivered retort. Don't necessarily agree with all of it. As tiny worker ants far from the center of the most relevant and up to date information, I have a hard time believing that any of us would have chosen differently given the available information in front of us at the time. Prognoses were rather dire, the same type actions were being taken worldwide, and had the real estate guy mysteriously declined the advice around him from the so-called experts.....I have no doubt all of our jaws would have hit the floor.

All of that set to the backdrop of tenacious media doing their very best to make it even harder to calmly make a 100% fully reasoned decision and course of action. Social media being weaponized in the matter the whole time as well. I try to envision any other President making a wholly different decision under the exact same circumstances but can't.

As far as leading out front, I'm just not clear on exactly what people believe is missing. There are numerous extremely consequential sitiations that Trump is juggling, and I don't really recall the last President who had that level of difficulty. Again, always set to the backdrop of malicious media making every effort to undo or taint what Trump's doing to address matters.

IMO he deserves more berth than "usual" and also perhaps some faith that there are things going on behind the scenes that would alleviate some of our concerns.

Whew, too long; didn't read

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The soft arse Trump supporters who have gone into full "Trump doesn't care about reelection.....He's losing on purpose!!!!!" can hopefully just shut the frick up and take a deep breath

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Maybe some de-caf and breathing into a paper bag for a few breaths would help. Or turn off CNN and the mediots of the MSM...

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Trump's finished, it's over, was a good run" t

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The walls are closing in finally?

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I have a hard time believing that any of us would have chosen differently given the available information in front of us at the time. Prognoses were rather dire, the same type actions were being taken worldwide, and had the real estate guy mysteriously declined the advice around him from the so-called experts.....I have no doubt all of our jaws would have hit the floor.

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You are absolutely wrong about this. There were very well respected experts that voiced opposition to lockdowns. Hell, there were a few posters on this board that from the very beginning, argued against the lockdown (I was one). I won't go into all the detail of the counterarguments to the lockdown, but I assure you - they were well-reasoned, logical and compelling.

What you say about the media/social media - yeah, okay, they would have piled on Trump if he had been smart about COVID. But two things about that: 1) it was his job to do what's right for the country regardless of how the press treated him, and 2) post all the links here for all the good press that capitulating to the idiots got him, okay? The point is he still got murdered by the press, and there's not a single rational person that should have expected something else - the press will never give Trump any credit, and they'll blame him for everything bad, even made-up bad.

You asked about what's missing. It's leadership. I have ideas and we have memories (of Reagan, for example) - but Trump doesn't have to be Reagan to lead. He just needs to follow his gut (which was against a lockdown), stop tweeting (it's beyond ridiculous), start articulating a message that contrasts his vision with the whacko-Left. People will eat that up, especially if he start acting with more purpose - maybe he has started with the arrest of the Antifa assholes (that would be a great step) but it has to go beyond that. I go back to COVID - he needs to make it clear that there should be no second lockdown, that we accomplished what we intended in Lockdown #1 and that was to give our healthcare system time to prepare, and the plan was never to avoid infections at all cost. He can back up these words by letting everybody know the COVID gravy train is over - no more souped up unemployment, no more PPP - time for the adults to go back to work and the kids back to school.

It's a good bit easier a second time around in dealing with the concept of lockdown when there's a much better idea of the death factor due to experience from the first time around. I wouldn't think of faulting a decision maker for choosing to err on the side of protecting life. A 70% chance of being a maverick hero is outweighed by mitigating even just a 30% chance of mass death, as were predicted if immediate action was not taken (extensive death predicted in general, the 30% is only for demonstrative purposes). I'm just not going to fault him for that. His same thought process on that has shades of his instinct that led to the hissy fit that Bolton threw over Trump's response to Iran's shooting down our drone. Trump's a man that seeks to protect life when it at all possible (and reasonable in the case of Iran matter) even when it's not the most popular decision.

If you're a Trump voter, has he done or not done something that has led you to the drastic decision to either abstain or vote for another candidate? If not, why do you believe others would do so in significant numbers?

I’m going to say this a bunch the next few weeks. It’s all meaningless until Biden picks his black female running mate and has a Zoom convention.