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re: I have a quiet envy of religious people
Posted on 6/24/20 at 6:40 am to udtiger
Posted on 6/24/20 at 6:40 am to udtiger
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The burden of multiple degrees and the life of an *intellectual."
It takes more faith to believe that chemicals magically fell together and created this Universe and everything in it than it does in God.
One can question the Bible and the teachings; however, one should always keep in mind that, while God breathed, the Bible was written by man, for man, for a particular period of time under particular circumstances and read it with that in mind. Also, man (regardless of faith or no) is fallible while God is not.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 6:45 am to udtiger
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The burden of multiple degrees and the life of an *intellectual."
Yikes
Posted on 6/24/20 at 6:52 am to udtiger
“The most educated must find their wisdom in the cross, or die fools.” ~ Charles Haddon Spurgeon
I agree with others who’ve recommended Mere Christianity by Lewis. I don’t recommend Lewis for correct theology overall, but your statements tell me his thoughts are a perfect starting point for you.
Christianity is the pinnacle of rationality and reason, not the low point. I wish you well.
I agree with others who’ve recommended Mere Christianity by Lewis. I don’t recommend Lewis for correct theology overall, but your statements tell me his thoughts are a perfect starting point for you.
Christianity is the pinnacle of rationality and reason, not the low point. I wish you well.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:00 am to udtiger
I agree to some extent, during trying times or deaths of those we love it would be nice in some ways to still believe there was a divine plan for it all.
The intellectual freedom that comes with a loss of religious belief far outweighs any negatives, though. Moreover, there’s no need to ever fret that those we love who didn’t believe are in a hell somewhere which is easily the most psychologically abusive concept ever conceived by humans.
The intellectual freedom that comes with a loss of religious belief far outweighs any negatives, though. Moreover, there’s no need to ever fret that those we love who didn’t believe are in a hell somewhere which is easily the most psychologically abusive concept ever conceived by humans.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:03 am to udtiger
I've had the fortune to travel all over... 46 of 50 states in the US... two dozen countries.
The world is too beautiful, exists in too perfect of a harmony, and the reality of our human existence is too miraculous for me to believe anything other than the existence of a loving, all-powerful God who created us.
The world is too beautiful, exists in too perfect of a harmony, and the reality of our human existence is too miraculous for me to believe anything other than the existence of a loving, all-powerful God who created us.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:04 am to AUauditor
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It takes more faith to believe that chemicals magically fell together and created this Universe
It’s not “magic”
And belief isn’t a choice
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:06 am to BayBengal9
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The world is too beautiful, exists in too perfect of a harmony, and the reality of our human existence is too miraculous for me to believe anything other than the existence of a loving, all-powerful God who created us.
The universe becomes far more beautiful and remarkable without a concept of god.
Religion offers simplistic, unfulfilling explanations for existence. The reality is far more fascinating than bronze aged nomads could have ever possibly come up with.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:12 am to udtiger
I grew up religious, but actually feel much happier and free now knowing there’s no god. I’m open to believing that there’s something bigger out there, but I think it’s comforting knowing that no one on earth truly knows.
I know most on this board we’re raised Christian, and therefore believe. I understand there’s a sense of fear in choosing to not believe anymore, but it’s ultimately freeing.
I know most on this board we’re raised Christian, and therefore believe. I understand there’s a sense of fear in choosing to not believe anymore, but it’s ultimately freeing.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:22 am to udtiger
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But I have seen too much shite (historically and contemporaneously) to think He's actively involved today.
He set the board and put the pieces in motion and has left i to us to work it out. He gave us a reset about 2000 years ago and now we're on our own.
He gave us free will. I think this gets lost on people that don’t have a lot of exposure to the scripture. There seems to be some confusion that He will save people from bad situations (and is therefore selective) and that any hardships or tragedies endured, especially by entire groups of people, mean that He is an unjust God. The presence of free will means there will be evil in this world, some people will be born and/or exposed to different situations and poor decisions will be made.
The Christian experience (and probably many other religions I don’t have enough knowledge about) is all about sorting through the bad things that happen in the world, and to you personally, and understanding they are ultimately just small insignificant moments in time and there is something waiting on the other side to those that have faith.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:24 am to udtiger
I'm an agnostic and it's true for me as well.
To those saying that you can have it too, you have to understand, some people's brains are so logical that we can't make that leap in believing something without direct and obvious evidence. Then there's the whole history of being lied to about things we know were not true now by lots of religions. The claims that were made over the years that proved to be false or impossible. I know that's not fair to just general deist that never made any specific claims but just believe in a higher power. To me, that's a more defensible claim and for me personally, a possibility. I think for people like me, it's harder when people claim specific saviors as if there aren't thousands of other religions out there that could also be correct. It seems like the height of arrogance to claim that your God or savior is the right God or savior and everybody else's throughout all of history is wrong.
It truly is a matter of faith.
Eta: y'all should feel lucky you're capable of such leaps. The solace that it brings must be extremely comforting.
To those saying that you can have it too, you have to understand, some people's brains are so logical that we can't make that leap in believing something without direct and obvious evidence. Then there's the whole history of being lied to about things we know were not true now by lots of religions. The claims that were made over the years that proved to be false or impossible. I know that's not fair to just general deist that never made any specific claims but just believe in a higher power. To me, that's a more defensible claim and for me personally, a possibility. I think for people like me, it's harder when people claim specific saviors as if there aren't thousands of other religions out there that could also be correct. It seems like the height of arrogance to claim that your God or savior is the right God or savior and everybody else's throughout all of history is wrong.
It truly is a matter of faith.
Eta: y'all should feel lucky you're capable of such leaps. The solace that it brings must be extremely comforting.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 7:26 am
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:24 am to udtiger
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The burden of multiple degrees and the life of an *intellectual."
Boy, let me assure you, there are THOUSANDS of Christians who are much, much, much smarter than you will ever live to be.....
Your REAL problem is your EGO, not your intellect, you fking moron....
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:27 am to nola000
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It truly is a matter of faith.
Exactly....
If on your way to work this morning, there suddenly appeared a blinding light in the sky and 600 foot Bearded Jesus appeared to you with lightning bolts emanating from his hands, proclaiming himself to be God, you'd fall to your knees in a quivering mass.
Faith is believing in all that awesomeness without the visuals.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:30 am to Roger Klarvin
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It’s not “magic”
And belief isn’t a choice
God doesn't have to be magic either. If Arthur C. Clarke can recognize that things we don't understand appear to be magic then so can you.
I've struggled most of my life with the concept of God as well. Some depictions of him as a man in the clouds rewarding and punishing people doesn't sit well with me though.
I still struggle to this day with what or who God is. So I can't really offer you anything to change your mind other than my own struggle with belief and logic.
But I will say this. If it comes down to picking sides, I stand with good Christians in this country. The ones who believe God loves everyone and wants the best for them. In this regard, we both believe in the same thing.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:33 am to Hester Carries
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I grew up religious. Wish I still believed. Don’t.
Care to elaborate?
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:40 am to wackatimesthree
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Things can't really be moral or immoral beyond the level of pure individual preference without a transcendent moral authority. A
Now see, this is completely untrue in my honest opinion. I see it happen a lot with religious folks. They think there can be no morals without a god. That's just not true. Neither my wife nor I are religious and we are extremely moral people. You may ask, where do you derive your morality from? It can be best summed up in the simple words of the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto. Not because God tells you to or even because you're hoping for some reward in reciprocity but because instead, it makes YOU feel good about YOU.
It's empathy. Empathy is something that is taught in childhood and passed down from parent to child with or without the presence of religion. I know because I received it without religion. Empathy makes you feel bad for hurting others. Humans are social creatures and always have been. It's ingrained in us biologically to feel bad for hurting others because a tribe cant survive if everybody's out for themselves and stepping on everyone else along the way. Everyone ends up isolated in the wild. We are pack animals. We cant survive very well alone.
Teach your kids empathy and that will be their source of their morality. This can either be through the lens of religion or not. It doesn't matter. As long as they're taught that making other people feel bad will make you feel worse, it's mission accomplished.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:44 am to udtiger
Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:53 am to AUauditor
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It takes more faith to believe that chemicals magically fell together and created this Universe and everything in it than it does in God
You think an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being, who himself must be questioned of origin, is more likely than random chance on a very large planet where the opportunities for such things coming together are uncountable?
You can walk this back as far as you want and the deists will always try and end the journey at 'God'. But then I would ask, what created God? What created the creator of God? Etc. Can there be an endpoint? Logic dictates that there can't.
I think whatever we find out, if we ever find out, it's cyclical. What set it all in motion, who knows? The questions are really too big to answer in one person's lifetime. I guess that's where faith comes in. Since we'll never know, we should just believe in something. The capacity for that belief is what us agnostics are jealous of. I mean that in a sincere and complementary way.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 8:03 am to oogabooga68
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Exactly....
If on your way to work this morning, there suddenly appeared a blinding light in the sky and 600 foot Bearded Jesus appeared to you with lightning bolts emanating from his hands, proclaiming himself to be God, you'd fall to your knees in a quivering mass.
Faith is believing in all that awesomeness without the visuals
I know. And maybe it's just my early experimenting with psychedelics but I think that's fricking awesome. Sincere, wholehearted faith in something that brings happiness and comfort. I don't care who you are, that's cool shite right there.
I have to say though, I sometimes feel very judged by the religious when they know this of me. They should understand that I'm just not capable of the same leaps of faith that they are. We are all born with different capacities.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 8:05 am to SidewalkDawg
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But I will say this. If it comes down to picking sides, I stand with good Christians in this country. The ones who believe God loves everyone and wants the best for them. In this regard, we both believe in the same thing.
Here, here!
If it makes communists scowl and it's good enough for the Founders, then it's good enough for me
Posted on 6/24/20 at 8:07 am to udtiger
Ask, and you shall receive; seek, and you shall find; knock, and the door shall be opened unto you.
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