re: Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge

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You can’t say “excited delirium” exists outside of the police restraint. It’s not a separate diagnosis that exists apart from and without the police’s actions.

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Restraint is a critical and normal part of police duties.

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Apart from the coroner's report, what makes you think he didn't have a heart attack?

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Not sure I need more than that.

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I was just wondering if you saw something that might have pointed to that.

Can he even get a fair trial?

It’s rehashing arguments that have been out there for weeks.

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George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck.

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If the police knew this, it probably hurts more than helps. They knew he was having trouble breathing and they still kept him in prone restraint far longer than necessary.

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The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.

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The MPD also has a policy that they’re supposed to transition a subject from prone restraint to their side if the subject is in distress.

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A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.

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No. It wasn’t. See above.

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Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.

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Jesus. All that did was make me look up the author. He’s a “researcher.” Not really.

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Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine.

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That’s just false. We have doctors and pharmacists on this board who can confirm.

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Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

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The medical examiner disagrees (at least in part). And how much pressure do you think it takes to choke someone?

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You realize there is no such thing as positional asphyxiation, right?

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I’ll trade you no positional asphyxiation for no excited delirium.

And then we’re left with people dying in police custody. Then what? We just keep paying out $2M per death because the fricking police can’t follow their own manual?

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Actually its because the video clearly shows the man not resisting

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Then you have chosen to not watch all of the videos. He clearly resisted. The police body cams will show him resisting in greater detail.

I’ll admit it looks horrible for the 8 minutes and 45 seconds of the video they want you to see.

But in a court of law jurors will see all of the videos and have the law explained to them.

You aren’t objective. You’ve already admitted as much.

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The study found that only 18 of 214 individuals identified as having EXD died while being restrained or taken into custody.

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1) that’s not what it says at all
2) not everyone who is diagnosed with EXD dies. Everyone who is diagnosed with EXD and dies was restrained.

EXD is a relatively recent diagnosis. Critics of police say that police came up with the diagnosis as an out for in-custody deaths. It’s not all that far-fetched an accusation either.