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The George Floyd video, objectively, from NeverTrumper Sam Harris
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:54 am
Yes, he is TDS infested but Sam Harris talks real talk about the video and what almost everyone who watched it
thought they saw.
the entire podcast is very interesting, (yes I do take in views outside of conservative echo chambers) but in case you don't want to wade through the whole thing, the video analysis starts at 59:40
Sam Harris podcast #207
For those who don't want to listen at all, Chauvin's knee may not be the cause at all, it well could be the weight of the 2nd cop on Floyd's back.
Still, an unjustified killing either way but it adds a new twist.
thought they saw.
the entire podcast is very interesting, (yes I do take in views outside of conservative echo chambers) but in case you don't want to wade through the whole thing, the video analysis starts at 59:40
Sam Harris podcast #207
For those who don't want to listen at all, Chauvin's knee may not be the cause at all, it well could be the weight of the 2nd cop on Floyd's back.
Still, an unjustified killing either way but it adds a new twist.
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:39 pm to TrueTiger
Yeah, he says he can’t imagine someone who wasn’t allowed to join their dying parent, spouse, or child during Covid or even hold a funeral for them possibly voting for the Left after excusing the protests and rioting. And more importantly it wasn’t just politicians, but public health officials doing this by the thousands. Sam sees the writing on the wall.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:47 pm to OMLandshark
Honestly, Sam Harris should be called to testify before Congress and deliver this speech telling them how they’ve ruined everything.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:19 pm to OMLandshark
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Honestly, Sam Harris should be called to testify before Congress and deliver this speech telling them how they’ve ruined everything.
It's an amazing podcast. Sam is no Trump lover sure, but he stays honest and logical the whole way through.
I respect that.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:56 pm to OMLandshark
His take on no-knock raids is spot-on.
You can go straight to 1:27 to hear that.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:05 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Floyd's contralateral facial abrasions, and Chauvin's kneeling >2.5mins after Floyd lost his pulse say otherwise.
Chauvin's knee may not be the cause at all
Also frankly Chauvin's unconcerned reaction to dumping an apparently lifeless Floyd on the medic gurney speaks volumes.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:26 pm to NC_Tigah
You didn’t listen...ok
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:29 pm to TrueTiger
quote:What does Trump have to do with this?
Sam is no Trump lover sure, but he stays honest and logical the whole way through.
I respect that.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:29 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Also frankly Chauvin's unconcerned reaction to dumping an apparently lifeless Floyd on the medic gurney speaks volumes.
that could bode well for the city in saying that this was a personal beef, and nothing to do with the department
or,
Since Chauvin was surrounded by irate witnesses and was being recorded, it could substantiate the theory that he believed he was not not killing Floyd, who would murder someone in those circumstances?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:30 pm to TrueTiger
I made the point the knee was window dressing weeks ago.
The weight of multiple cops on his back did him in.
The weight of multiple cops on his back did him in.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:35 pm to TgrFrk
quote:Harris doesn't know what the carotid sinus is, much less the effect of modest pressure on it. Nor do you...ok
You didn’t listen...ok
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:38 pm to shrevetigertom
quote:
What does Trump have to do with this?
nothing really, it's just a point to those who are locked in to the notion that anyone who is a critic of what is happening with BLM or the police is automatically a Trump lover, should have a more open mind
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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Harris doesn't know what the carotid body is, much less the effect of modest pressure on it. Nor do you...ok
it seems the police don't either, and that goes to the point about them not being well trained for the job they are being asked to do
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:40 pm to TrueTiger
If Chauvin is over charged, it likely could get tossed out.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:46 pm to TrueTiger
One has to be prepared for the fact he is going to say some things you don't like - his hate for Trump runs so deep it causes an otherwise very logical person to lose perspective any time he mentions him.
(He also had some naive views during Kav. He took the position it would be irrationally for Ford to make up the allegations. I would love how to ask him how he felt about that theory after Jussie).
But, I respect the fact he came out with this podcast. I have been checking for a few days wondering when/if he would take the risk.
It would be an excellent listen for those who lean left but are not hopeless. Assuming those types even exist anyomore.
For the hard core leftists - there probably isn't anything that would help.
(He also had some naive views during Kav. He took the position it would be irrationally for Ford to make up the allegations. I would love how to ask him how he felt about that theory after Jussie).
But, I respect the fact he came out with this podcast. I have been checking for a few days wondering when/if he would take the risk.
It would be an excellent listen for those who lean left but are not hopeless. Assuming those types even exist anyomore.
For the hard core leftists - there probably isn't anything that would help.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:57 pm to SOKAL
quote:
It would be an excellent listen for those who lean left but are not hopeless. Assuming those types even exist anyomore.
For the hard core leftists - there probably isn't anything that would help.
Probably, it has too many facts and data that screw up the left's narrative,
even if it comes from someone who is sympathetic to their cause.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:00 pm to TrueTiger
Listened to the whole thing earlier. We either can talk about it or we can’t. Sam basically laid out the entire counter argument against the protest movement.
Simply put, the facts don’t match the idea of systemic racism by police against blacks. The entire movement is based on a false premise.
Simply put, the facts don’t match the idea of systemic racism by police against blacks. The entire movement is based on a false premise.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:02 pm to AURaptor
quote:
If Chauvin is over charged, it likely could get tossed out.
Can you imagine the pressure the jury will face on this case?
I'd hate to be these people...
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:06 pm to AURaptor
quote:IIRC, in Minnesota a jury can elect to downgrade its finding from 2nd degree to 3rd if it sees fit.
If Chauvin is over charged, it likely could get tossed out.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:06 pm to shrevetigertom
quote:
quote:
Sam is no Trump lover sure, but he stays honest and logical the whole way through.
I respect that.
What does Trump have to do with this?
This ^^^ is important. The Prog/Dim leftists would blame Trump if the Yellowstone cauldron erupted and killed half the world’s population.
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