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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:45 pm to deuceiswild
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You had me. During those first couple of days after George Floyd was killed by police, you had me. I was there. I was on your side. The truth is, I was never against you. But after seeing that awful video, I could see myself taking a more proactive role in supporting your cause. Admittedly, I don't know exactly what that means. I know I'm not giving anyone any money. I know I'm not going into the streets to protest, even peacefully. But I could somehow see myself being more proactive in some way.
And then you just couldn't help yourself. You had to be provocative. It's almost like you couldn't stand to see so many people agreeing with you. Maybe you're just not used to it. You couldn't help but explain to me that if I didn't give money, or go out and protest, or actively support those who were protesting (even those causing destruction), that I was a part of the problem. You told me to shut up because my opinion didn't matter. You told me that even if I did go out and protest and even if I did give money, that I'd still be part of the problem anyway. You told me I wasn't allowed to condemn both the police and the rioters. Basically I was told to take my sympathy and frick off.
And now we all have a problem. Communication is now worse than it was a couple weeks ago. I care less and less about your cause. I'm warming up to the idea of using force to clear our street
quote:
So, even though I simply "don't understand", I'm going to offer you some advice anyway. First, open your mind and be willing to have a candid dialogue, where your own problems are allowed into the discussion- that conversation has been taboo for over a decade now. Own those problems and work from within to fix them. Then ask yourself if Karen truly gives a shite about you. A good litmus test would be to take your "demonstrations" to her neighborhood and see if she joins you, or if she hides, or if Mr Karen starts shooting. Then consider who's been pandering for your vote for your entire life and how long those people have been in office. Then take another look around you and ask yourself whether you've really been helped or harmed. Trust me, they see you the exact same way as they see me, with my guns and bibles. The only difference is they talk to you- usually only around election time. Anyways, I'm sure now just "isn't the time" for truth and honesty, but there it is. Like i said, you had me. And now you're making me question my own sanity as to how I could have allowed myself to be duped so badly. Grow up.
I wish this was the entire message and left out the statistics. Not that the statistics are wrong, but it would have more of a reach without them. Too many people will dismiss the best part of the message because they can’t handle that much factual evidence.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:48 pm to musick
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You would then lose your job.
This is the world in 2020.
Yep, I know of at least 2 engineers and 2 doctors that have lost their job in the past week for social media.
Our company has to release code of conduct on it today.
As much as I would love to respond and post something like this.....no fricking way I am saying shite!! Not losing my job over this.
They can scream silence makes you a racist all they want, they will not get me to respond no matter what.
Ain't nobody got time for unemployment.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:52 pm to Parmen
quote:Says the guy who reads and responds to posts on TD all day.
I have other things going on in my day other than dedicating that much time to read someone’s dear diary letter.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:53 pm to Parmen
quote:I sympathized.
Can we get a tl;dr?
Then you over-played your hand.
frick you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:56 pm to AggieHank86
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I sympathized. Then you over-played your hand. frick you.
Which is a 100% perfect summary of my thinking
Honestly, at this point, IDGAF at all what black people or white liberals think on this subject.
They have literally zero intention of actually conversing. So. frick them. And, if they accidently die during protest when getting mistaken for the violent group......meh
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:58 pm to tiger1014
No comment
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I sympathized.
Then you over-played your hand.
frick you.
Pretty good summary of the OP.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:09 pm to deuceiswild
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Now you have government housing, various entitlement programs, etc. These programs have existed for over half a century now. Yet, somehow, African Americans today are worse off than their grandparents were in every single government metric. Every single one.
Been on the tit too long. Time to go cold turkey.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:09 pm to deuceiswild
quote:
I'm warming up to the idea of using force to clear our streets.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:10 pm to Bulldogblitz
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I've never even been to Minnesota.
Consider yourself lucky - from someone that lived there. Very liberal, and mean liberalism. I am pretty sure that I have worked with people that belonged to the weather underground in the late 60s or early 70s. This was in the early 80s.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:49 pm to deuceiswild
I want to see some kind of factual statistics that show there is a disparity the size of the grand canyon, showing that blacks are discriminated against exponentially greater than all other races. Not talking emotions or anything, if it were truly as bad as it is made out to be there would be plenty of dissertations, books, articles and videos to view but I can't find them.
I was all on board with this but when I hear cops are hunting down blacks, that there is a genocide going on against blacks (assuming that's not abortions) it makes me question what I'm missing. Am I that tone deaf? Is this more of a culture issue?
Does anyone have a link to a good video or article that supports the claims? I'm all ears and will be willing to listen and hear the perspective I'm missing, maybe I'm privileged and that's causing my ignorance.
I'm being shamed to keep quiet on social media but my day to day interactions with all races are perfectly fine. Actually during covid (prior to protests) there was more compassion for everyone and I think that was the issue. Then when Floyd was killed everyone agreed that it was excessive and disgusting, I did not see or speak with one single person who disagreed.
When the Minneapolis mayor made the cops stand down America took note, burn it down and get what you want with no repercussions. Hell, you can even get on Facebook live, you can cuss cops, you can belittle any white people (even if you're white), and you can get noticed for all of your white knighting and virtue signaling. What is being misunderstood is no matter what any of us do, it's never enough and to be frank the hardcore rioters do not care about your opinion....we've seen it when the ones participating or supporting the violence get beaten up, windows busted, car destroyed, business burned, etc. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, THIS IS ABOUT DESTRUCTION FOR THOSE AGITATORS/ANARCHISTS.
Keep it up and the cops will quit, then you will see hell unleashed and the quiet level headed people will prevail.
If you're not on board with the short term micro view of shaming all whites, supporting BLM, supporting the riots/looting, and disavowing cops you are a racist and should go ahead and check your privilege.
If you have a long-term macro view and realize the end game and the consequences associated with the destruction, you're considered evil. I'm over it. I've deleted social media and I've bought more self protection.
This isn't how America works, the OP needs to be printed in every major outlet in the country. The country needs to deal with facts, the country needs to have these discussions and emotions need to be heard but it's going to be painful when they realize there isn't a blatent systematic issue. It's there an issue? Sure, but I associate it with culture & class, I think a white guy who grows up with no father figure and is constantly in trouble probably goes through very similar struggles. It's just unfortunate that a higher percentage of black people fall in this category and that is what needs to be addressed.
I've heard from so many intelligent people with no facts or even a decent argument. I've seen plenty that actually go against the narrative.
I was all on board with this but when I hear cops are hunting down blacks, that there is a genocide going on against blacks (assuming that's not abortions) it makes me question what I'm missing. Am I that tone deaf? Is this more of a culture issue?
Does anyone have a link to a good video or article that supports the claims? I'm all ears and will be willing to listen and hear the perspective I'm missing, maybe I'm privileged and that's causing my ignorance.
I'm being shamed to keep quiet on social media but my day to day interactions with all races are perfectly fine. Actually during covid (prior to protests) there was more compassion for everyone and I think that was the issue. Then when Floyd was killed everyone agreed that it was excessive and disgusting, I did not see or speak with one single person who disagreed.
When the Minneapolis mayor made the cops stand down America took note, burn it down and get what you want with no repercussions. Hell, you can even get on Facebook live, you can cuss cops, you can belittle any white people (even if you're white), and you can get noticed for all of your white knighting and virtue signaling. What is being misunderstood is no matter what any of us do, it's never enough and to be frank the hardcore rioters do not care about your opinion....we've seen it when the ones participating or supporting the violence get beaten up, windows busted, car destroyed, business burned, etc. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, THIS IS ABOUT DESTRUCTION FOR THOSE AGITATORS/ANARCHISTS.
Keep it up and the cops will quit, then you will see hell unleashed and the quiet level headed people will prevail.
If you're not on board with the short term micro view of shaming all whites, supporting BLM, supporting the riots/looting, and disavowing cops you are a racist and should go ahead and check your privilege.
If you have a long-term macro view and realize the end game and the consequences associated with the destruction, you're considered evil. I'm over it. I've deleted social media and I've bought more self protection.
This isn't how America works, the OP needs to be printed in every major outlet in the country. The country needs to deal with facts, the country needs to have these discussions and emotions need to be heard but it's going to be painful when they realize there isn't a blatent systematic issue. It's there an issue? Sure, but I associate it with culture & class, I think a white guy who grows up with no father figure and is constantly in trouble probably goes through very similar struggles. It's just unfortunate that a higher percentage of black people fall in this category and that is what needs to be addressed.
I've heard from so many intelligent people with no facts or even a decent argument. I've seen plenty that actually go against the narrative.
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