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re: There’s no way we have as many deaths as being reported
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
SlowFlow, where in the article you cited does it actually speak about fewer people suffering from heart attacks and strokes?
Certainly, the author describes lower incidence of people showing up to ERs with these problems, but I couldn’t find a single sentence that says people are actually suffering fewer heart attacks or strokes. Can you point me in the right direction, or did you just find an article with a catchy headline?
Certainly, the author describes lower incidence of people showing up to ERs with these problems, but I couldn’t find a single sentence that says people are actually suffering fewer heart attacks or strokes. Can you point me in the right direction, or did you just find an article with a catchy headline?
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:22 pm to cave canem
I may have just missed it, but I've mostly seen people citing various projections for CV-19 when comparing the two, as opposed to current CV stats vs a "season's worth" for flu. Whether that's a fool's errand or not, merely comparing only for the sake of comparing, I won't speculate....BUT throw in the contrast between the two comparables (the contrast being the factor of severe actions against the economy in the case of CV-19), IMO the exercise of comparing/contrasting the two becomes quite a bit more justified.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:29 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
quote:This, and he thought it was extra cute because it was the NYTimes.
did you just find an article with a catchy headline?
If a damned dirty liberal tried to pass off a bullshite fluff piece like that as a source they would get roasted and downvoted to hell.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:31 pm to Korkstand
I'd be curious if he stands by that piece as evidence.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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More deaths caused by COVID
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:34 pm to rds dc
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I guess the whole world is in on it
Global Deaths - 95,678, nCFR 6%
US Deaths - 16,684, nCFR 3.6%
It's telling that such an upvoted thread can be destroyed so easily.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:11 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Okay, so the question is, how many total deaths (not just corona but all deaths) has NYC had in the last 30 days as their first death was reported around March 14th?
About 8.4m people live in NYC, so on any given day well over a 100 people die based on a death rate of 575 per 100,000 population which was the rate in 2016.
Census data for NYC
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Death rate for 2016 in NYC
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So, what is the total death count for NYC for the last 30 days for all deaths? If only 5,000-7,000 total people died this would not even be anything that would be noticeable as on average NYC has 4,000+ deaths per month.
Also, the observation of people dying at home makes sense, our hospital here is more or less closed except for emergency services, but the ambulances we hear basically every other day now... before we would be lucky to hear/see ambulances go by once a month, we're very rural and I can see the highway they use. (not proof but I suspect this might be somewhat truth)
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Of the coronavirus-related deaths, 3,155 patients suffered from underlying conditions, while 76 of those deaths did not have an underlying condition. It is currently being determined if the 1,126 remaining patients had an underlying condition.
Okay, so the question is, how many total deaths (not just corona but all deaths) has NYC had in the last 30 days as their first death was reported around March 14th?
About 8.4m people live in NYC, so on any given day well over a 100 people die based on a death rate of 575 per 100,000 population which was the rate in 2016.
Census data for NYC
LINK
Death rate for 2016 in NYC
LINK
So, what is the total death count for NYC for the last 30 days for all deaths? If only 5,000-7,000 total people died this would not even be anything that would be noticeable as on average NYC has 4,000+ deaths per month.
Also, the observation of people dying at home makes sense, our hospital here is more or less closed except for emergency services, but the ambulances we hear basically every other day now... before we would be lucky to hear/see ambulances go by once a month, we're very rural and I can see the highway they use. (not proof but I suspect this might be somewhat truth)
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 6:18 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:33 am to blackrose890
Bullsh**, heart attack cases are down over 40%
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:34 am to BHS78
No they’re not.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:50 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:
So, what is the total death count for NYC for the last 30 days for all deaths? If only 5,000-7,000 total people died this would not even be anything that would be noticeable as on average NYC has 4,000+ deaths per month.
This is the beginnings of what I'm waiting to see. Hospitals have a key performance indicator that measures observed to expected mortality in all sorts of disease groups. Generally speaking, if the ratio is under 1 you are doing better than expected given historical data or your peer groups, over 1 you are doing worse.
I'm thinking it won't be long before we see some official O/E stats coming out of major systems, then we might be able to put to rest the co-morbidity question (and I suspect it would reduce the number attributed to COVID)
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:57 am to YF12
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Very well orchestrated from liberals and the liberal media
Would have seen millions of healthy dropping dead in the middle of the streets if this was anything but a major hoax
You people are disgusting.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:58 am to DaGarun
I don’t think that’s going to happen. Hospitals aren’t seeking patients to turn into Covid patients. I don’t know why that’s become a narrative.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 8:05 am to DaGarun
Interesting enough, same or similar results in Sweden as they had in Italy.
Very high age of deaths, I don't have exact numbers (see ranges) but rough guess is average age is near or around 80 - basically in line with life expectancy in Sweden.
My guess, if the virus does exist that the death rate will be significantly below the flu, and on the other end... there is no virus.
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Very high age of deaths, I don't have exact numbers (see ranges) but rough guess is average age is near or around 80 - basically in line with life expectancy in Sweden.
My guess, if the virus does exist that the death rate will be significantly below the flu, and on the other end... there is no virus.
LINK /
Posted on 4/10/20 at 8:15 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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I would imagine the average age of someone being categorized as dying from the beer disease in Spain as well into their 80s, maybe even mid-80s. (no exact data)
LINK
Spain does have a rather high life expectancy as well.
Old people are dying of old age, sick people are dying because they're sick.
I would imagine the average age of someone being categorized as dying from the beer disease in Spain as well into their 80s, maybe even mid-80s. (no exact data)
LINK
Spain does have a rather high life expectancy as well.
Old people are dying of old age, sick people are dying because they're sick.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 8:51 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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. there is no virus.
Your posts over the past couple of weeks have devolved into insanity.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 8:56 am to the808bass
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Your posts over the past couple of weeks have devolved into insanity.
Not at all. I've been right from the beginning flu+ on the top end, my guess is much less than the flu now... and maybe non-existent.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 9:43 am to BamaAtl
quote:I guess, but I dont think most of the positions here are because of loss of income. I think people are more invested in gotcha games
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"
Posted on 4/10/20 at 9:54 am to the808bass
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I don’t think that’s going to happen. Hospitals aren’t seeking patients to turn into Covid patients. I don’t know why that’s become a narrative.
I'm not saying that they are. Just that if the O/E for their overall pop relative to their normal is >1 I think you could attribute the additional deaths to COVID.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:14 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Not at all.
You have multiple posts where you question whether there is a virus at all. That’s insanity. I’m not asking you to recognize it.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:31 am to the808bass
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Jesus. That’s ugly.
Just to get a sense of what they are going through right now, I saw this story about NY having to make much more use out of a mass burial site for unclaimed bodies.
LINK
Apparently they are going from burying about 25 per week there to 25 per day so far.
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