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re: SBA loans in stimulus---basically give aways for any business with less than 500 employees

Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:00 pm to
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I guess people that own more than one business can file for each business too.



Why couldn't they?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:00 pm to
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These businesses have to show there have been hardships, like layoffs and loss of sales.
It’s not a fricking free for all.


I just went through the app.

No it doesn't. . .and it might be a free for all, I dunno.

But it never asks about hardships or any such
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:02 pm to
Which app? I don’t believe the app for PPP is out yet. The vote was Friday.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:06 pm to
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Which app? I don’t believe the app for PPP is out yet. The vote was Friday.



Maybe this one?

But that's not the PPP. That's the EIDL loan.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:06 pm to
Thanks. That’s the EIDL application. The PPP is a different loan. I’m not sure the same application will be used.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:07 pm to
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The PPP is a different loan. I’m not sure the same application will be used.




If I'm not mistaken, you'll go to the bank for the PPP loan.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:08 pm to
That is my understanding. They can also give an immediate grant of $10000 at the time of application which must be disbursed within three days.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:09 pm to
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They can also give an immediate grant of $10000 at the time of application which must be disbursed within three days.




Which you get to keep if you request more and it's denied.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:11 pm to
I’m having a difficult time thinking of denials. Delinquent on federal taxes? Amour certainly. Other than fraud if you’re a legit business paying employees it almost seems like it’s a rubber stamp loan.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 9:12 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:12 pm to
How much did they set aside for this? $250 billion? They will run through that with quickness, if what all we are saying is true.
Posted by Sheepdog1833
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:31 pm to
I have a question about overhead coverage.

Is company insurance payable with this “loan”? (Vehicle insurance, liability?)
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:35 pm to
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Is company insurance payable with this “loan”? (Vehicle insurance, liability?)


My understanding is...

Health insurance... yes.

Any other insurance... you'd have to pay back the portion of the loan used to pay for that.

But it still buys you quite a bit of time.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:09 pm to
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That’s promising. Owners draw is my main source atm.


Might want to tread lightly then. It’s generally considered a misuse of an S-Corp classification if you are not paying yourself an industry wage through payroll. Just pointing that out.
Posted by pensacola
pensacola
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:18 pm to
What if ABC Corp pays rent to XYZ Corp that owns the building and the ownership is the same? This is a very common arrangement. Will the loan be forgiven?
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20083 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:36 pm to
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I just went through the app.

No it doesn't. . .and it might be a free for all, I dunno.

But it never asks about hardships or any such


It says that the may request monthly financials and to have them ready, you have 7 days to provide.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11479 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:42 am to
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Yes, they are.


Whew!!!!

Thanks for the clarifications! That makes me feel A LOT BETTER!

I sell medical equipment. All of my referral sources are shut down. Revenue is down about 80%. There is no way I could remain afloat with out this. I am in two different towns, both locations located in small strip malls. Out of the the 7 tenants at one location, there are two businesses that are open. The other location only has one. Funny thing is, both strip malls with an open business is a cleaners. Apparently, they are doing well during this crisis.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13678 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:01 am to
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So, if you were going to be business as usual for the next 2 months, you can get a loan for that amount and essentially pocket that money.



Thanks UD, thats the point. Its obvious the first few months going forward your business is going to suck.

Posters on here pretend you open your business tomorrow and suddenly your sales are what they were before this.

I doubt many will "profit" from it, and just may save many small businesses.

Id be curious how many on here have actually owned a substantial business during an economic downturn, or actually understand the economics of running a business with a substantial number of employees.

Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11479 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:31 am to
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Thanks. That’s the EIDL application. The PPP is a different loan. I’m not sure the same application will be used.


So, the application for the 2.5x payroll loan is not available yet? Am I understanding this correctly?

The link provided is for an SBA loan?
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 8:34 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56698 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:36 am to
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Might want to tread lightly then. It’s generally considered a misuse of an S-Corp classification if you are not paying yourself an industry wage through payroll. Just pointing that out.
So an owner must pay himself a wage? Why?
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 8:37 am
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