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re: What are the chances the timeline is all wrong on the COVID 19?

Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:24 pm to
Still in the early stages for sure as testing gets ramped up and spread continues. Give it another two weeks to see how bad it gets.
Posted by hubreb
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:24 pm to
First case reported..who knows where first case came from
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:25 pm to
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Still in the early stages for sure as testing gets ramped up and spread continues. Give it another two weeks to see how bad it gets.


It’s been two months at least already. Just because we’re only now looking for it doesn’t mean it’s only just now starting.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:26 pm to
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Does a lot of the assumptions on start time have to do with reporting from China?


On it starting to spread here?

It has nothing to do with reporting in China.
Posted by TIGER2
Mandeville.La
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:28 pm to
One of the Doctors that talks at the White House pressers said we are weeks if not more behind where we think we are as in any flu or virus outbreak.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:30 pm to
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Have to be honest, I have thought of this. I'd say maybe the two weeks post national title game, I had a wicked cough that would keep me up during the middle of the night along with runny nose and annoyingly sore throat. It would come in spurts throughout the day as well. Cough wasn't mucus or anything. I didn't check to see if I was running fever though.

Had the same thing and started the day after the national championship.

Started with a sore throat. Longest sore throat I’ve ever had. Never had congestion which was weird to me at the time because my colds typically run the same course everytime. Started coughing. Could not get rid of the cough. Checked my temp and was running at 101. Couldn’t sleep because of the cough/sore throat/fever which is unusual for me. Usually I take some nyquil right before bed and I’m gone.
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:32 pm to
If it’s this contagious and the first case in China was in November, to think it took this long to get here is kind of naive.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:33 pm to
Have a buddy whose kid got super sick in Jan after he flew back here from FL

They said it was like pneumonia but wasnt sure what it was exactly

Kid could barely breath. Then his wife got it and went to the ER
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:35 pm to
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People are acting like the virus is spreading because more and more people are testing positive but it’s just because we’re testing more and more people and only testing sick people with symptoms. It’s not because the virus is rapidly spreading. It’s already spread we’re now just figuring it out.

I do tend to think this.

But I’d like to see the death numbers for the flu/pneumonia this year. Deaths would be an easier number to conclude something from since we pretty much always know when someone died and a cause for their death.

Without the knowledge of Corona, they likely got chalked up to flu/pneumonia.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:37 pm to
NM
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 7:40 pm
Posted by DhanTigers212
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:39 pm to
I was working on a job site in New Orleans remodeling the Hilton hotel around October. It lasted a few weeks. A bug went around the job site that literally everyone caught. Everyone thought it was the flu but I knew it wasn’t. I got sick and it literally felt much worse than the flu. I had weird symptoms like head pains, abdominal pains, and trouble breathing (really was scary). I was new to the company I was working for so I didn’t want to go to the doctor and take any days off. The symptoms eventually went away but it took much longer than a regular flu. I had a cough that lasted at least until December and every morning I would hack up shite. It was weird as frick. Another reason I believe this could have been corona is because the lady at the front desk of the job site told me her symptoms were so bad that she had to be put on a ventilator because her breathing was all fricked up. Main point is I wouldn’t be surprised if this virus has been in the United States for a long time.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 7:42 pm
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:39 pm to
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The reason we think it’s so contagious is because so many people have it and we think it started a lot later than it possibly did.


We literally have physical evidence that the earliest the virus could have been in the US was Jan 15.

That’s when the linage diverges from China.
Posted by Rum Ham
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:41 pm to
I know a lot of people that got sick after coming back from the Washington DC Mardi Gras, and they all swabbed negative for flu and strep. Reports are that the first human case in China was in October, but this wasn’t a story until January I think. That’s a long time for the virus to travel. I think it’s been here for a while.
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:43 pm to
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But I’d like to see the death numbers for the flu/pneumonia this year. Deaths would be an easier number to conclude something from since we pretty much always know when someone died and a cause for their death.


I’ll go find and link them for you but it’s currently way less than the flu.
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:49 pm to
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Had a very, very bad cold before Mardi Gras; in fact was still not feeling great for Thoth Sunday, but was not going to miss my favorite day of the year

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HECM62

We’ve found patient 0
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:49 pm to
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I think it’s been here for a while.


What, do we think it played out like pandemic? It saved up DNA points and once it was discovered it ramped up lethality?

Just waiting to infect Madagascar before really unloading.


Or did it just stealthily dodge the nursing homes till we were on to it.


I mean I don’t want to trample on the legitimacy of “I had a sore throat” stories, but these are major issues you need to reconcile if you want to assume it’s been here.

As well as ignore the fact that they traced the spread genetically, it’s not like cases popped up that contradicted it when they tested” by chance.” (If it were already everywhere, then emergence of clinical examples are geographically random.)
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:50 pm to
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We literally have physical evidence that the earliest the virus could have been in the US was Jan 15.

That’s when the linage diverges from China.

Explain
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:55 pm to
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I’ll go find and link them for you but it’s currently way less than the flu.

Not what I’m saying.

I’m saying if the theory is corona was here before anyone knew it and was spreading, then you’d likely still see the same death rate. A disease infecting a lot of people and us not noticing is easy. People get sick, think it’s a cold, don’t go to the doctor therefore there’s no statistic.

However people dying is harder not to notice. But a situation you could’ve had is people dying from Corona but it got categorized a death from the flu or death from pneumonia. So therefore, you’d expect to see an uptick in flu/pneumonia deaths this year compared to others.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51947 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:56 pm to
The very short version is that this virus, like most RNA viruses, mutates rapidly. Function doesn’t change, but the letters certainly do.

When it first came out, there were en masse sequencing done by many labs from different times and places. This allowed for objective tracking data to be objected genetically.


If it came to the US prior to that time, the US strains would be lacking changes that arose in China later thin the divergence and instead have its own set of mutations.




But they don’t.
Posted by chunk
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:59 pm to
Yeah I was sick as well two weeks ago and went up to the redimed by Hannan high. No flu, mild fever but felt nasty even nauseated, and they said sinus sent me home with augmentin. I didn’t take it cause I felt better but the other day symptoms came back like sinus stuff the other day.
Funny thing is I have been working from home for the past several months anyway so loooow exposure compared to my family. Oh well, pollen is a bitch lol this shite happened at a bad time for people with allergies. Paranoid lol
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