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Not sure if this is the right board, but Brother Martin had a brutal loss
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:56 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:56 am
I was following the game, with the other quarter final games, as best I could on line. So I maybe off/lacking on the specifics.
Brother Martin is winning 2-0 most of the game. Late in the second half, Catholic scores on a PK to make it 2-1. Then with only a couple of minutes left, Brother Martin own goals the ball to bring the score to 2-2. Catholic puts in the game winner in the 2nd OT. I know there are plenty of similar or worse situations like this one, but my heart goes out to the kid that own goaled the ball for the equalizer.
Vanderbilt Catholic mercy ruled Bossier in their quarter finals game. I’m not sure which is the worse way to get bumped out of the playoffs? I would guess most would say getting mercy ruled, but to me that team just quit. Getting your heart ripped out like Brother Martin will stay with those kids for a long time.
Brother Martin is winning 2-0 most of the game. Late in the second half, Catholic scores on a PK to make it 2-1. Then with only a couple of minutes left, Brother Martin own goals the ball to bring the score to 2-2. Catholic puts in the game winner in the 2nd OT. I know there are plenty of similar or worse situations like this one, but my heart goes out to the kid that own goaled the ball for the equalizer.
Vanderbilt Catholic mercy ruled Bossier in their quarter finals game. I’m not sure which is the worse way to get bumped out of the playoffs? I would guess most would say getting mercy ruled, but to me that team just quit. Getting your heart ripped out like Brother Martin will stay with those kids for a long time.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:00 am to Seeker
quote:I'd rather get mercy ruled than to lose because of an own goal.
I would guess most would say getting mercy ruled
Every time my team lost in the playoffs, it was by 6 or 7. There's not a lot of "what ifs" to be asked. You just know you were beaten and can move on.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 7:05 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:40 am to Seeker
Vandebilt*
Put some respek on it baw.
Put some respek on it baw.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:32 am to pvilleguru
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I'd rather get mercy ruled than to lose because of an own goal.
This x1000. I would rather know that the team was physically better than us then to think of what ifs. Own goals are extra brutal, looking at you Omar Gonzalez.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:57 am to Seeker
The winning goal went right through the keeper’s legs. He was face down on the ground for a good 5 minutes after that.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:57 am to jordan21210
My bad. I trusted my autocorrect and it let me down. Regardless, looking at VC’s schedule, they look like a team that could have competed in any bracket. I’m looking forward to the semifinal game. There are some good matchups. I’m going to try to attend the St. Paul vs. Dutchtown game. Dutchtown is supposed to have the best player in the state and St. Paul is supposed to have the best team in the state (at least that is what I’ve been told). Should make for a good match.
As far as the which is situation would be worse question. I would agree with the own goal being the worst way to lose, but I talked to a kid who is a pretty good keeper and is going to college next year on a scholarship. He said getting mercy ruled would be worse because if the embarrassment of losing that badly in the playoffs. He said more than likely the team quit and that was worse than competing and losing in a close game. He is a keeper, so the thought of giving up 8 goals probably stings worse for him.
Also, for future reference, is this the right board to talk about high school soccer/playoffs or is it mainly for professional soccer discussion and this thread was better suited on the MSB? I was kind of surprised that there wasn’t more discussion about the games (maybe I missed it) on the forum.
As far as the which is situation would be worse question. I would agree with the own goal being the worst way to lose, but I talked to a kid who is a pretty good keeper and is going to college next year on a scholarship. He said getting mercy ruled would be worse because if the embarrassment of losing that badly in the playoffs. He said more than likely the team quit and that was worse than competing and losing in a close game. He is a keeper, so the thought of giving up 8 goals probably stings worse for him.
Also, for future reference, is this the right board to talk about high school soccer/playoffs or is it mainly for professional soccer discussion and this thread was better suited on the MSB? I was kind of surprised that there wasn’t more discussion about the games (maybe I missed it) on the forum.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:06 pm to Seeker
Ogs are the worst
i had one in my senior year in frickING 1992 (in game we lost by 1) and that memory randomly pops in my head every so often just to piss me off
i had one in my senior year in frickING 1992 (in game we lost by 1) and that memory randomly pops in my head every so often just to piss me off
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:23 pm to Seeker
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is this the right board to talk about high school soccer/playoffs
Feel free.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:29 pm to Seeker
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Regardless, looking at VC’s schedule, they look like a team that could have competed in any bracket.
That’s been VC’s m.o. for over a decade. Normally good enough to compete with D1 teams but play in the easiest division (at least when I played this was the case). We won state by 8 goals my junior year lol.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:38 pm to Seeker
Would these HS teams get smoked by an MSC (Mandeville), BRSC, or LA Fire U16 or U17 team?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:13 pm to Gaston
Most HS teams would lose to a good U16/17 club team, yes.
But probably not St. Paul’s. That program is ridiculous since Coach Moser got the train rolling. Their Varsity team is basically all upperclassmen from the Mandeville and Covington clubs. They’re so deep that their underclassmen alone could probably win state in the other three divisions outside of D-I.
They’ve basically taken the dynasty spot Jesuit used to have. Very likely they’ll win their 6th title in 7 years next week, and it took a miracle goal for them to lose the final to Jesuit in 2018.
But probably not St. Paul’s. That program is ridiculous since Coach Moser got the train rolling. Their Varsity team is basically all upperclassmen from the Mandeville and Covington clubs. They’re so deep that their underclassmen alone could probably win state in the other three divisions outside of D-I.
They’ve basically taken the dynasty spot Jesuit used to have. Very likely they’ll win their 6th title in 7 years next week, and it took a miracle goal for them to lose the final to Jesuit in 2018.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:19 pm to Michael Stein
I wasn’t being facetious, I was wondering if these are effectively all-star club teams...like you say at St Paul. The top 4 kids from the U17 and best 5 or so U16 boys from MSC, mixed in with some recent Northshore transplants from Fire...I could see how kids would be drawn to schools like that, especially if it’s private.
My son plays all those clubs, being from southwest MS, but the club scene isn’t deep enough over here to have them appreciably congregate at one school.
My son plays all those clubs, being from southwest MS, but the club scene isn’t deep enough over here to have them appreciably congregate at one school.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:47 pm to Seeker
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I’m not sure which is the worse way
Our HS team, up 1-0, into injury time in Quarters, and the goalie tells the Defender to blast it up field, kill time only seconds remain, instead, he back passes it with pace, and nutmegs the goalie, causing them to eventually go into PK's, which they lost.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:57 pm to Gaston
Yeah, it varies greatly in Louisiana, depending on which part of the state we’re talking about. Private schools aren’t numerous or well established in North and Central LA, so there public schools actually have stronger soccer programs than the small privates. Caddo Magnet in Shreveport, Neville in Monroe, and Alexandria have pretty good teams.
In South Louisiana, it’s a whole different ballgame. Select schools dominate. A lot of the private schools are older than even the universities. They get most of the elite club talent.
Catholic High in Baton Rouge, St. Paul’s in Covington, and Jesuit in New Orleans are pretty much always gonna have strong teams loaded with club talent. Those are the dominant established (all over 100 years old) Catholic schools in their areas. The same is true to a lesser extent for St. Louis in Lake Charles, Vandebilt Catholic in Houma, ED White in Thibodaux, and St. Thomas More in Lafayette.
The smaller, less established private schools will get some club players, but with nowhere near the consistency of the schools I mentioned above. There are few good public school programs in South Louisiana, but few are able to sustain long-term consistent success. They tend to ebb and flow much more than the big private schools.
In South Louisiana, it’s a whole different ballgame. Select schools dominate. A lot of the private schools are older than even the universities. They get most of the elite club talent.
Catholic High in Baton Rouge, St. Paul’s in Covington, and Jesuit in New Orleans are pretty much always gonna have strong teams loaded with club talent. Those are the dominant established (all over 100 years old) Catholic schools in their areas. The same is true to a lesser extent for St. Louis in Lake Charles, Vandebilt Catholic in Houma, ED White in Thibodaux, and St. Thomas More in Lafayette.
The smaller, less established private schools will get some club players, but with nowhere near the consistency of the schools I mentioned above. There are few good public school programs in South Louisiana, but few are able to sustain long-term consistent success. They tend to ebb and flow much more than the big private schools.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:08 am to Gaston
May have changed (become more pronounced) in the now relatively large time I’ve been out of high school: for MSC, St. Paul’s had greatest representation, but the Mandeville and other Northshore schools made up a decent amount of the team. Didn’t usually work out to where the best few from each MSC team played for St. Paul’s, but they definitely had a team full of competent (or better) club (MSC) players. Southshore teams were a little more concentrated with the extreme being Jesuit and Lakeview (RIP, absorbed into LA Fire). That has actually probably changed, and there were always exceptions.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 3:20 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:49 pm to joey barton
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May have changed (become more pronounced) in the now relatively large time I’ve been out of high school: for MSC, St. Paul’s had greatest representation, but the Mandeville and other Northshore schools made up a decent amount of the team. Didn’t usually work out to where the best few from each MSC team played for St. Paul’s, but they definitely had a team full of competent (or better) club (MSC) players. Southshore teams were a little more concentrated with the extreme being Jesuit and Lakeview (RIP, absorbed into LA Fire). That has actually probably changed, and there were always exceptions.
Not changed too much. The Lakeview based LA Fire teams still have a majority of players who end up at Jesuit, though a fair amount go to Brother Martin and Holy Cross. There are more Latin players now, but they generally end up at Jefferson Parish public schools. The major difference at the moment are the Northshore and Baton Rouge club teams have just been stronger than the NOLA clubs over the past 3-5 years. You see that reflected, somewhat, in the number of BR HS teams doing well, and in St. Paul's dominance.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:10 pm to Michael Stein
Do the different Classes all have their own state championships like they do here in MS? Here it’s 1A/2A/3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A brackets with a north vs south finals.
I wish they’d do a 4A/5A/6A bracket instead of them being separate. My son’s school just won their 10th 4A title. There’s no incentive to focus on bettering the program. They lost 0-1 to a 5A finalist and 1-5 to the 6A state champs when they played during the regular season...but that’s without incentive. No reason you couldn’t do better.
I’m probably in the minority thinking this way, but a private school (especially one that’s 7-12th) should be able to develop and recruit players better than the 5A and 6A schools who just have numbers and a likely better paid staff.
I wish they’d do a 4A/5A/6A bracket instead of them being separate. My son’s school just won their 10th 4A title. There’s no incentive to focus on bettering the program. They lost 0-1 to a 5A finalist and 1-5 to the 6A state champs when they played during the regular season...but that’s without incentive. No reason you couldn’t do better.
I’m probably in the minority thinking this way, but a private school (especially one that’s 7-12th) should be able to develop and recruit players better than the 5A and 6A schools who just have numbers and a likely better paid staff.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:21 pm to Gaston
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Here it’s 1A/2A/3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A brackets with a north vs south finals
Alabama is similar (we have 1A/2A/3A, 4A/5A, 6A, 7A), but we alternate years of who can meet in the finals. One years it's a guaranteed North/South final, the next year North teams will play South teams in the semis.
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