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re: If Jimmy Carter would have met Force with Force when our Embassy was taken?
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:21 pm to Rebel
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:21 pm to Rebel
The hostages likely would have been killed if he’d launched an all out attack. The rescue he ordered was pretty ballsy but was doomed mostly by equipment failure.
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Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:21 pm to Ponchy Tiger
That’s my point. Carters inaction led the Iranians to feel empowered they could act anyway they choose without fear of repercussions.
Trump has revoked their feeling of empowerment.
Trump has revoked their feeling of empowerment.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:22 pm to VOR
The rescue attempt was several months after the capture.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:23 pm to makinskrilla
That’s some damned optimistic speculation.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:24 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
He would have turned that place into a piece of glass.
The world would be a better place if he did. The world would FEAR is and thus no one would dare frick with us. There is a quote that goes something like it is better to be Feared than to be loved if you cannot have both.
They will never love us because we don’t worship their goat fricker so they MUST fear us. It is the only way to get their respect. A Neutron Bomb in Terran would definitely cause a lot of people to Fear us. Light one off and say the next American that dies or if we see a protest in the streets saying Death to America, we will light another one of these bad boys in your home town or maybe Mecca and Medina.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:31 pm to Diamondawg
quote:Younger folks just do not understand the disarray of our military in 1979. Vietnam had worked a number on it, and Reagan had not yet fixed it.
I'm not military and I don't know what our capabilities were at the time (like highly trained and equipped Navy Seals)but I don't remember there being a constant drum beat to go get them.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:37 pm to AggieHank86
The peanut farmer actually thought he could bring peace to the Middle East. He was that stupid and naive. By all accounts he was a good man but dumber than dog nuts.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:40 pm to vol-boy
quote:Idealistic and a bit naive? Yep. But Carter is a bright guy.
The peanut farmer actually thought he could bring peace to the Middle East. He was that stupid and naive. By all accounts he was a good man but dumber than dog nuts.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:42 pm to Rebel
Maybe it overthrows the regime. Everyone cheers.
Then in a few years Adolf Mohammed takes control and we all die in nuclear fire.
Then in a few years Adolf Mohammed takes control and we all die in nuclear fire.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:47 pm to Rebel
We didn’t have the technological advantage then that we have now. Would not have not been smart for Carter to use that level of force.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:02 pm to Rebel
Carter should have done two things as soon as the hostages were taken
1) ended the price controls on gasoline that enabled the oil embargoes to be impactful in the USA (Reagan did this very soon after taken office and no embargo has been successful since.)
2) gave the mullahs 72 hours to give up the hostage and then he should have bombed the oil terminals if they didn't give them up---while doing this he should have promised them a normal economic relationship and no more interference in Iranian domestic politics
Some things people forget or never new about Carter
1) he got elected governor of Georgia after inviting George Wallace to campaign with him--he defeated the most moderate Governor in the South at the time on race--Carl Sanders. After getting elected he did a 180. Many believe he could not have been re-elected Governor.
2) Camp David was successful for one reason---money. Carter obligated the USA to give billions to the Egyptians and the Israelis that we still give them.
3) the democrats didn't like him. Teddy running against him probably hurt his re-election as much as the hostages. I doubt he would have gotten re-elected without the hostage crisis. Americans thought him weak for a lot of reasons---he described fired his cabinet after his Malaise speech. He told Americans to wear sweaters during the oil embargo. He was never loved by the public.
BTW--I was in college in Georgia at the time--a freshman and Carter's nice sent word to the students there was going to be a big party in Plains on election day. We loaded up and made the drive over and I shook Carter's hand as he made his way through the crowd. I voted for Ford. Billy was giving away PBR from his gas station.
1) ended the price controls on gasoline that enabled the oil embargoes to be impactful in the USA (Reagan did this very soon after taken office and no embargo has been successful since.)
2) gave the mullahs 72 hours to give up the hostage and then he should have bombed the oil terminals if they didn't give them up---while doing this he should have promised them a normal economic relationship and no more interference in Iranian domestic politics
Some things people forget or never new about Carter
1) he got elected governor of Georgia after inviting George Wallace to campaign with him--he defeated the most moderate Governor in the South at the time on race--Carl Sanders. After getting elected he did a 180. Many believe he could not have been re-elected Governor.
2) Camp David was successful for one reason---money. Carter obligated the USA to give billions to the Egyptians and the Israelis that we still give them.
3) the democrats didn't like him. Teddy running against him probably hurt his re-election as much as the hostages. I doubt he would have gotten re-elected without the hostage crisis. Americans thought him weak for a lot of reasons---he described fired his cabinet after his Malaise speech. He told Americans to wear sweaters during the oil embargo. He was never loved by the public.
BTW--I was in college in Georgia at the time--a freshman and Carter's nice sent word to the students there was going to be a big party in Plains on election day. We loaded up and made the drive over and I shook Carter's hand as he made his way through the crowd. I voted for Ford. Billy was giving away PBR from his gas station.
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:09 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Yep. But Carter is a bright guy.
In what areas?
Serious question.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:11 pm to Dale51
Sub nukker
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:12 pm to Dale51
He out worked a weak field of democrats to get elected. He was an unknown and people wanted something different.
He was more of a political hard worker. I never thought him very smart.
He was more of a political hard worker. I never thought him very smart.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:13 pm to I B Freeman
He could have given them a deadline to return the hostages with two key points. First. Failure to meet the deadline would result in devastating attack. Second. Any harmed hostages would result in even more devastating attacks with the devastation escalating for each harmed hostage.
There was literally no reason to send in a rescue attempt. You just threaten to eliminate Tehran as a viable City if you don't get every single hostage back alive.
And it can't just be a threat. They have to know you would do it
There was literally no reason to send in a rescue attempt. You just threaten to eliminate Tehran as a viable City if you don't get every single hostage back alive.
And it can't just be a threat. They have to know you would do it
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:14 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I have never seen evidence of this. But I have seen evidence that he wouldn't even be somebody we know politically if he hadn't run a racist campaign for governor
Idealistic and a bit naive? Yep. But Carter is a bright guy
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:18 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Top ten percent at a pretty decent school.quote:I have never seen evidence of this.
Carter is a bright guy
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:18 pm to I B Freeman
He was the last outsider the DNC would ever allow to win folks.
DC and the elites hated his arse and mobilized the msm to get rid of him.
Sound familiar?
But Jimma had zero political skills and was not at all wealthy.
DC and the elites hated his arse and mobilized the msm to get rid of him.
Sound familiar?
But Jimma had zero political skills and was not at all wealthy.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Top ten percent at a pretty decent school
All I know is that every time he ever negotiated something he made me wish that every car or piece of property I ever bought was from him as a salesman.
His negotiating skills border on idiocy
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:20 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Agreed.
All I know is that every time he ever negotiated something he made me wish that every car or piece of property I ever bought was from him as a salesman.
His negotiating skills border on idiocy
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