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Here's where I think the disconnect is...
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:52 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:52 am
The IG report is likely correct...there was sufficient predicate to open the investigation. The question not addressed was "where did the predicate come from?" If the predicate was fabricated...or set up...then the IG report is still correct. Horowitz has a limited jurisdiction...so he doesn't look at the creation of the predicate. That is where Durham comes in. Just a thought.
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:54 am to rumproast
Well considering that is exactly what Durham’s statement said yesterday....I agree with you.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:58 am to rumproast
At a high level, this doesn't make much sense. It's absurd to think that Horowitz doesn't have enough information to make a determination that the FBI acted unlawfully and that this is part of a bigger effort.
Saying things like "Horowitz has limited jurisdiction" just plays into their hands. Horowitz is complicit in the cover up. Period. The guy needs to be lumped in with the rest of them. He has a responsibility to the truth. He has a responsibility as Inspector General to expose wrong acts and recommend prosecution when appropriate.
He, like so many others, think instead it is their job to make sure they take care of the institution. He needs to be prosecuted.
Saying things like "Horowitz has limited jurisdiction" just plays into their hands. Horowitz is complicit in the cover up. Period. The guy needs to be lumped in with the rest of them. He has a responsibility to the truth. He has a responsibility as Inspector General to expose wrong acts and recommend prosecution when appropriate.
He, like so many others, think instead it is their job to make sure they take care of the institution. He needs to be prosecuted.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:59 am to Oddibe
the fact that our intel agency seriously thought a Presidential candidate saying "America first" on the campaign trail, "end the endless wars" "build the wall" "we need better trade deals so that's is fair to the American Taxpayer"...."other countries need to step up and pay their fair share" was a Russian Agent is downright scary.
Nothing Trump has done or said publicly would make a sane person believe he was a Russian agent. It's just flat out retarded to suggest it let alone give it a second thought.
McCabe is still not convinced...He went to Duke, I think that education is over-rated
Nothing Trump has done or said publicly would make a sane person believe he was a Russian agent. It's just flat out retarded to suggest it let alone give it a second thought.
McCabe is still not convinced...He went to Duke, I think that education is over-rated
Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:59 am to rumproast
No indictments were gonna come from Horowitz. It’s just a report of his investigation. Durham and Huber will be where the indictments and arrests stem from.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:02 am to rumproast
Yes- I started a thread but not as concisely put as you state your point here.
An officer will have to respond to basically any report of a potential crime or disturbance, no matter how ridiculous and irrespective of the officer's predispositions.
It is how things are conducted thereafter which are important.
Horowitz's statement re: no bias to open the investigation is the equivalent of Mueller's "could not exonerate" language. Simply journo-porn.
An officer will have to respond to basically any report of a potential crime or disturbance, no matter how ridiculous and irrespective of the officer's predispositions.
It is how things are conducted thereafter which are important.
Horowitz's statement re: no bias to open the investigation is the equivalent of Mueller's "could not exonerate" language. Simply journo-porn.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:04 am to rumproast
It's like Snopes wrote the conclusion...
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:04 am to rumproast
The problem is the agents demonstrated irrational, unprofessional, and seething bias combined with delusions of grandeur related to their efforts to stop candidate and president trump. They did so during their work and on their professional devices, computers, and official communications. Those same agents committed crimes to further the investigation.
Horowitz wouldn’t claim bias drove those crimes because there was no email that said “I’m breaking the law because I hate trump politically” and they didn’t admit to such in testimony.
It’s a joke of a standard that would never be granted to a normal citizen.
Horowitz wouldn’t claim bias drove those crimes because there was no email that said “I’m breaking the law because I hate trump politically” and they didn’t admit to such in testimony.
It’s a joke of a standard that would never be granted to a normal citizen.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:06 am to rumproast
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there was sufficient predicate to open the investigation
but the Russian interference morphed into a complete investigation of the President...."collusion"
somebody explain it me other than the narrative being spun out of thin air...which is how I see it. It was fabricated all along
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:07 am to rumproast
The Woods procedure to properly vet FISA info was not followed. The info came from back channels and was recycled by the FBI and DOJ through circular reporting in the media. Like this:
FBI to NYT- “Trump colluded with Russia.”
NYT- “Trump colluded with Russia.”
FBI to the FISA judge (after being rejected initially for their first FISA attempt)- “Look what the NYT’s reported. We have to investigate.”
FBI to NYT- “Trump colluded with Russia.”
NYT- “Trump colluded with Russia.”
FBI to the FISA judge (after being rejected initially for their first FISA attempt)- “Look what the NYT’s reported. We have to investigate.”
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 7:08 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:09 am to Turbeauxdog
I agree that they technically would have a reason to investigate, but what was the reason to keep the renewals going?
They found out very quickly that the entire idea was a farce, yet kept at it for multiple renewals. Why?
We saw the same issue pop up in the Mueller report with no real answer. Why did they continue with the charade once they knew it was going no where?
They found out very quickly that the entire idea was a farce, yet kept at it for multiple renewals. Why?
We saw the same issue pop up in the Mueller report with no real answer. Why did they continue with the charade once they knew it was going no where?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:11 am to rumproast
quote:
The IG report is likely correct...there was sufficient predicate to open the investigation. The question not addressed was "where did the predicate come from?" If the predicate was fabricated...or set up...then the IG report is still correct. Horowitz has a limited jurisdiction...so he doesn't look at the creation of the predicate. That is where Durham comes in. Just a thought.
Agreed
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:19 am to rumproast
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The question not addressed was "where did the predicate come from?"
Apparently it came from Manafort already being under investigation prior to going to work for Trump (as well as not letting the Trump campaign know about it) and the Downer/PapaD meeting and the FBI completely ignoring any exculpatory information which should normally exonerate someone in PapaD's position.
Crossfire Hurricane's findings poured gasoline on that dumpster fire of a scenario, especially when they purposely again ignored exculpatory evidence (like Page's Russian contacts being due to his CIA work and the CIA clearing him on this, that the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC and created by a highly biased anti-Trump source, etc).
This was a textbook example of those running an investigation having the belief that an investigation should always lead to charges (otherwise what was all that effort for?) and going so far as to break the law in order to charge innocent people just so they can justify their investigation.
Durham does not agree on the predication. I will be interested in what he finds.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:26 am to rumproast
quote:
The IG report is likely correct...there was sufficient predicate to open the investigation. The question not addressed was "where did the predicate come from?" If the predicate was fabricated...or set up...then the IG report is still correct. Horowitz has a limited jurisdiction...so he doesn't look at the creation of the predicate.
Been saying that all the time - essentially all Horowitz did was see if all the "t"s were crossed and all the "i"s dotted.
SURE - everything they did was "by the book" = just like everything Hitler did was "by the book."
Certainly these swamp creatures were going to cover their trails with all the 'proper procedural actions."
Horowitz was not equipped to find the conspiracy and collusion that led to the debacle. Barr and Durham sez = "hold our beers."
Yep = all the proper documents were signed off by the proper authority.
Yep = some of the information in the documents were false - not my problem.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:29 am to Bard
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This was a textbook example of those running an investigation having the belief that an investigation should always lead to charges (otherwise what was all that effort for?) and going so far as to break the law in order to charge innocent people just so they can justify their investigation.
This completely understates what was going on to an amazing level.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:32 am to Bard
What if I told you that the spy ring on Trump had been going on much earlier without any FISA...That when “She” didn’t win they were caught and needed to find a reason to cover their butts..It would make sense with the set ups of Pop and the introduction of the unfettered Dossier. Why didn’t they vet(wood procedure) the Dossier? Cover....
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:49 am to moneyg
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This completely understates what was going on to an amazing level.
It's a part of it no one is looking at. How many times do we see stories about prosecutions or investigations continued due to those doing the prosecutions or investigations not willing to admit they are wrong (or are being pressured to "find anything" to justify the investigation's existence)?
It's definitely not the totality but I do believe some aspect of that played a role.
Also, the TigerDoc crew will never buy into any anti-Trump bias influencing things, this is a debate avenue they cannot honestly refute.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:54 am to Bard
The AG must prosecute those that used the Dossier as a basis for the FISA Warrants (2) after the Dossier was determined not to be credible. The names of those involved must come out. Otherwise this report is 100% slam dunk victory for Democrats.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:58 am to ApexTiger
quote:It all started during the campaign when Trump said "Russia if you are listening maybe you can find Hillary's 30,000 emails"
somebody explain it me other than the narrative being spun out of thin air...which is how I see it. It was fabricated all along
I know it was a joke and you know it was joke but apparently the leftists didn't know it was a joke. So they begin building their case around Russia collusion the day he made that statement....facts and truth never matter to leftists.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 7:59 am to TOKEN
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The AG must prosecute those that used the Dossier as a basis for the FISA Warrants (2) after the Dossier was determined not to be credible. The names of those involved must come out. Otherwise this report is 100% slam dunk victory for Democrats.
Agreed. If our intel community is going to violate our Constitutional rights with nothing but a hand-slap (if that), then why continue the pretense that the Constitution matters at all?
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