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what do yall think about Payton going for 2 after 2nd touchdown?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:55 am
game would be tied.
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:57 am to tigerdude12
We came out playing aggressive, and have too if we want to win in these big games.
I trust Peyton. Just scratched my head at some of the calls he made.
Shannanhan Called a masterful game.
Those misdirection plays had our number, and if they faked it they beat us deep.
Saints hung with the best team in the NFC and came out 2 points behind with injured players in key positions. Frustrating yes, but between the rams and san fran, Peyton better figure out something because the any coach is going to be ready for the same gimmick "3rd down plays" Peyton has been calling all season.
I trust Peyton. Just scratched my head at some of the calls he made.
Shannanhan Called a masterful game.
Those misdirection plays had our number, and if they faked it they beat us deep.
Saints hung with the best team in the NFC and came out 2 points behind with injured players in key positions. Frustrating yes, but between the rams and san fran, Peyton better figure out something because the any coach is going to be ready for the same gimmick "3rd down plays" Peyton has been calling all season.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:59 am to tigerdude12
Didn't like the call at the time and it ended up costing us.
Being aggressive is one thing, but going for 2 for absolutely no reason falls into the category of reckless.
Being aggressive is one thing, but going for 2 for absolutely no reason falls into the category of reckless.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:59 am to tigerdude12
If you're going to go for 2, don't use that shite arse play.
When you're up 6 and can have a chip shot XP, take it.
When you're up 6 and can have a chip shot XP, take it.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:02 am to tigerdude12
Thought it was stupid. In a game like this you have to take all the easy points you can get. To me, it doesn't scream aggressiveness, it screams desperation or insecurity.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:04 am to CptRusty
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Being aggressive is one thing, but going for 2 for absolutely no reason falls into the category of reckless.
do we not remember that the ball was on the 1 yard line for this particular 2PC?
after the penalty on the hit on Cook... the ball was moved up to the 1
the call to go for it was fine... I was ok with it... b/c the ball was only 1 yard away
the play call however... left a lot to be desired... go heavy and run it up the gut with Murray or Brees leap... don't try to get on the boundary against a super fast D like SF's
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:11 am to rt3
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do we not remember that the ball was on the 1 yard line for this particular 2PC?
I didn't forget. Still didn't like the call.
Going for 2PC is a much lower percentage play than a PAT. There was was ZERO reason to gamble for one measly extra point. The odds of finding the end zone from the 1 are about 50%.
PAT - 99% chance you get 1 extra point
2PC - ~50% chance your opponent "gets" 1 extra point
Not worth it unless the score is something weird where the 2PC makes a field goal tie instead of win.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:12 am to tigerdude12
I just dont understand why we dont have Murray back there on goal line as an option to just plow it in. Kamara isn't a threat back there
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:13 am to rt3
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the call to go for it was fine... I was ok with it... b/c the ball was only 1 yard away the play call however... left a lot to be desired... go heavy and run it up the gut with Murray or Brees leap... don't try to get on the boundary against a super fast D like SF's
bump..
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:17 am to tigerdude12
No. You don't chase points until game is getting close to ending. Going for 2 from the 1 is one thing, but going for 2 just for the sake of it is terrible strategy
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:18 am to tigerdude12
I loathed the decision, but I am steadfastly opposed to going for two until the 4th quarter in almost all circumstances.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:20 am to tigerdude12
Can understand the decision even if I'd say take the PAT. But god, both 2pt play calls were atrocious.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:26 am to CptRusty
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I didn't forget. Still didn't like the call.
Going for 2PC is a much lower percentage play than a PAT. There was was ZERO reason to gamble for one measly extra point. The odds of finding the end zone from the 1 are about 50%.
PAT - 99% chance you get 1 extra point
2PC - ~50% chance your opponent "gets" 1 extra point
Not worth it unless the score is something weird where the 2PC makes a field goal tie instead of win.
FWIW... half the league (16 teams) is currently under 95% in PAT attempts... including 8 teams below 90%
the Saints are at 97.1%
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:30 am to rt3
ok. having taken the 1.8% less chance of a PAT into account, my mind remains unchanged.
It was a pointless gamble and it ended up costing us.
It was a pointless gamble and it ended up costing us.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:32 am to rt3
Didn't love it. Didn't hate it. But it didn't affect the game really.
The score would have been 42-34 in the 4th and the Saints would have tried for a 2pt when we scored that TD. I just assume it would have failed since we went 0-2 anyway.
The score would have been 42-34 in the 4th and the Saints would have tried for a 2pt when we scored that TD. I just assume it would have failed since we went 0-2 anyway.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:33 am to tigerdude12
I guess it wound up not really mattering, but in terms of changing the momentum and flow of the game, it was huge, it gave the 49ers a lift, and I didn't like it at the time. Seemed desperate. The rest of the day felt panicked and jittery, even when we were ahead for a while. I know Payton is big into analytics, but I didn't understand it at all.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:37 am to SenatorJones
Don't mind the aggressive play. It was the middle of the first, so you have plenty of time to make it back up. I mind the shite play they called.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:39 am to SenatorJones
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I guess it wound up not really mattering, but in terms of changing the momentum and flow of the game, it was huge, it gave the 49ers a lift, and I didn't like it at the time. Seemed desperate. The rest of the day felt panicked and jittery, even when we were ahead for a while. I know Payton is big into analytics, but I didn't understand it at all.
I credit this to the fact that it started to look shortly after like neither D showed up to play so you knew it was going to come down to who had the ball last
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:12 pm to rt3
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the call to go for it was fine... I was ok with it... b/c the ball was only 1 yard away
the play call however... left a lot to be desired... go heavy and run it up the gut with Murray or Brees leap... don't try to get on the boundary against a super fast D like SF's
I agree with this. I would have taken the XP, but I did not hate the decision to go for 2. He has just gone for the kick in the past, makes me wonder if this was an emotional decision because of the hit on Cook.
Sad part about the play call is we did go heavy. We brought in a dlineman to play FB, but he decided to get cute and run Hill on a sweep. I would have rathered see Brees dive over the pile than a play that stretches the field against a fast D.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:14 pm to tigerdude12
I didnt mind going for two. The play call was dumb. If the penalty moving the ball up to the 1 yard line is what sparked the decision to go for 2, then run a power run play or a sneak or even Brees over the top. Taysom in the gun running wide was retarded (and Payton called the same thing on 3rd and 1 later in the game too that got stopped predictably).
That fake punt was beyond dumb too. It was 4th and 18 FFS. I understand trying to steal a possession, but come on man pick your spots better.
Just some really baffling too cute playcalls at key points in the game which isnt anything new with Payton.
That fake punt was beyond dumb too. It was 4th and 18 FFS. I understand trying to steal a possession, but come on man pick your spots better.
Just some really baffling too cute playcalls at key points in the game which isnt anything new with Payton.
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