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Why would a tour company not want a big group to have tents on the Appalachian Trail?

Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:18 pm
So, an 8th grade class is going backpacking on the Appalachian Trail this weekend and the tour company is expecting the kids to sleep on the ground with their sleeping bags...no protection from the elements except a tarp suspended between trees...weather is supposed to be in the 40's at night and chance of rain. Some parents are balking at the idea and keeping their kids from going. Also, these kids are having to carry four liters of water (weighing 9 pounds) because they won't be hiking or camping near water sources...apparently you should only carry in your pack 20% of your body weight, so an 80 pound kid would only carry 16 pounds and more than half would be water.

Does this trip seem like a bad idea? or are these parents being overprotective?

Tents would solve a lot of the problems being brought up...is there a legit reason for the tour company to not allow tents?
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:20 pm to
Man, frick a hike.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

is there a legit reason for the tour company to not allow tents?

Trying to prevent these 8th graders from being pregnant in the 9th grade.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
14876 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:22 pm to
Why is a tour company involved? I would have assumed a major benefit is that members of the tour company would help haul tents, extra water, etc.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:24 pm to
Is it wrong I take joy in the thought of kids today having to be inconvenienced in nature?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133052 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:24 pm to
Nothing wrong with bivouacking. That’s how it used to be
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26545 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

Why is a tour company involved? I would have assumed a major benefit is that members of the tour company would help haul tents, extra water, etc.
there are two teachers with each group of 8 kids...plus a tour guide...I believe they start at a place with cabins, and then hike out for 2-3 days...each group goes in a different direction and then returns 2-3 days later...so no hauling by tour company...but yeah, tour company appears to be the issue.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
23890 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:26 pm to
Check this out: LINK

not sure it answers your question, but helpful nonetheless
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26162 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:26 pm to
I love sending my kids away to be supervised by the same folks who can’t even successfully organize the event in the first place.

Do you need a tent? No.

Do you need a good reason not to bring one in the first place? At least I think so.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58806 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:26 pm to
I'm confused, tents are allowed on the Appalachian trail (at least they were a few decades ago) but a tour company you are using to hike it won't allow them? Just bounce between the man made structures and meet some really fricking weird people that live in them
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109450 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

there are two teachers with each group of 8 kids...plus a tour guide...I believe they start at a place with cabins, and then hike out for 2-3 days...each group goes in a different direction and then returns 2-3 days later..


The AT has open covered shelters that are spaced approx a day's hike from each other along the trail and supposedly can sleep a mess of folks. Are they planning on stopping at those perhaps?
Posted by WalterDisney
Member since Jul 2019
6 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:29 pm to
Soft arse parents. Let me guess. Some high brow private school?
Posted by LSUtotheCore
On the water
Member since Jan 2016
164 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:29 pm to
Get your kid an Oak Creek Lost Valley hammock. He will be the hit of the trail.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

there are two teachers with each group of 8 kids...plus a tour guide...



Yeah, my kid wouldn't be going on that shite
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26545 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

The AT has open covered shelters
covered by tarps?
Posted by DTown3011
With your mom
Member since Dec 2018
21 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:30 pm to
Seems like one would need 50L pack for 3 days on the trail considering rain is in the forecast (rain jacket and pants). Probably easily going over 16-20 lbs in that pack with bag/pad/clothes/water. Novice hikers too.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125525 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:31 pm to
Toughen ‘em up I guess.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109450 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:32 pm to
Roofs. They look smaller than I thought, though.

Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26545 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Where on AT?
Virginia
quote:

Seems like one would need 50L pack
yes, the kids are using 50L packs...water weight seems to be the big issue.
quote:

Novice hikers too?
I am guessing most of the kids are novices.

seems like a great trip but they didn't account for the weight of the packs.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68490 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:33 pm to
Sounds like hell.


I’d make my kid go.
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