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I need some explanation of this transcript
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:02 pm
First, don't bite my head off.
I'm trying to get some clarification on legality of what Trump is saying/requesting.
It does sound like he's asking for a Ukrainian investigation here. I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well. Is this legal?
It also sounds like he's asking the guy to investigate the Biden situation. Again, is this legal?
What I didn't see, however, is Trump threatening to withhold aid if investigations are not conducted.
I'm trying to get some clarification on legality of what Trump is saying/requesting.
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I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
It does sound like he's asking for a Ukrainian investigation here. I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well. Is this legal?
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The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
It also sounds like he's asking the guy to investigate the Biden situation. Again, is this legal?
What I didn't see, however, is Trump threatening to withhold aid if investigations are not conducted.
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:05 pm to upgrayedd
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What I didn't see, however, is Trump threatening to withhold aid if investigations are not conducted.
Only thing that would be impeachable in here
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:05 pm to upgrayedd
So just run for President and nothing you have done in the past can be investigated with international cooperation
Maybe that is why so many Dems ran
Maybe that is why so many Dems ran
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:06 pm to gthog61
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So just run for President and nothing you have done in the past can be investigated with international cooperation
That's what the Dems are trying to claim.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:07 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Crowdstrike is the entity that supposedly examined the DNC’s server and proclaimed that the Russians hacked it.
I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well.
No US entity examined the server.
It is also apparently owned and operated by a Ukrainian oligarch.
Why would asking about that be illegal?
quote:It sounds like he is asking him to look into the situation involving Hunter and that the US will not attempt to get in his way, like Biden did.
It also sounds like he's asking the guy to investigate the Biden situation. Again, is this legal?
Why would that be illegal?
Unless you believe that coordination between countries for evaluation and investigation of potential criminal activity is illegal.
quote:That is because there is no quid pro quo in there.
What I didn't see, however, is Trump threatening to withhold aid if investigations are not conducted.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:08 pm to upgrayedd
Sounds like he's asking the Ukrainian president to cooperate with ongoing DOJ investigations.
We know Barr is investigating the origins of the collusion investigation.I see nothing here that warrants an eye-roll much less an impeachment/
We know Barr is investigating the origins of the collusion investigation.I see nothing here that warrants an eye-roll much less an impeachment/
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:09 pm to gthog61
Is it legal for him to ask for investigations into Biden/firing of the prosecutor as well as Crowdstrike (still not familiar with that issue)?
Like I said, he didn't appear to be holding aid hostage in the transcript.
Like I said, he didn't appear to be holding aid hostage in the transcript.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:09 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well. Is this legal?
Is it legal to investigate a president for 3 years without any evidence of crime was committed other than "it was her turn?"
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:10 pm to ApexTiger
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Is it legal to investigate a president for 3 years without any evidence of crime was committed other than "it was her turn?"
That's not really the question I'm asking at the moment, so...
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:12 pm to ApexTiger
Obama: "Joe you don't have to do this"
Biden "oh yes sir I do, this is how we keep from going to jail"..."I run, he comes after me, we scream political interference for foreign government"
Biden "oh yes sir I do, this is how we keep from going to jail"..."I run, he comes after me, we scream political interference for foreign government"
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:13 pm to Scruffy
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Crowdstrike is the entity that supposedly examined the DNC’s server and proclaimed that the Russians hacked it.
No US entity examined the server.
It is also apparently owned and operated by a Ukrainian oligarch.
Ah, gotcha.
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Why would asking about that be illegal?
I don't know. That's why I was asking.
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It sounds like he is asking him to look into the situation involving Hunter and that the US will not attempt to get in his way, like Biden did. Why would that be illegal? Unless you believe that coordination between countries for evaluation and investigation of potential criminal activity is illegal.
Again, I don't know the legal in's and out's of this kind of stuff so I was looking for clarification.
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That is because there is no quid pro quo in there.
This is what they were initially touting as the crux of the argument, IIRC. Of course they've moved the goalposts so may times that it prompted me st start this thread. I'm confused
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:14 pm to upgrayedd
he's asking a world leader of a country to investigate his own country's dealings with an operative, no?
I mean wouldn't this be like asking a neighbor to deal with something in their own household? what in the world could be illegal about it? Trying to understand the fake outrage myself
I mean wouldn't this be like asking a neighbor to deal with something in their own household? what in the world could be illegal about it? Trying to understand the fake outrage myself
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:15 pm to upgrayedd
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Is it legal for him to ask for investigations into Biden/firing of the prosecutor as well as Crowdstrike
If Biden did what was claimed then is absolutely warrants a criminal investigation in both the U.S. and Ukraine...
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:15 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well.
Crowdstike is the Ukrainian IT firm that the DNC hired to "investigate" the DNC server that was supposedly hacked by the Russians and Russia transferred those emails to Wikileaks.
It's the official narrative however the FBI never requested to investigate or acquire a warrant to investigate the server. They remain disinterested but it is the basis of the Special Counsel to look into the 2016 election.
Julian Assage denies the fact that he received the emails from Russians. Assange said that a Wikileaks employee receive the DNC emails on a thumb drive in a DC park.
All meta data in the transferred files indicate that the files were downloaded at speeds that can only be achieved by an insider. Hacks from the outside would show much slower download speeds. There are several articles on this. One in particular is really good by the liberal magazine The Nation. They did an investigative report on this where this was revealed.
You know who transferred the DNC emails to the thumb drive to give to Wikileaks, right?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:17 pm to upgrayedd
The liberals on twitter are convinced this is bad. The only thing that seems suspect to me is the Biden thing, as Biden is the probable Dem nominee, and it isn't a good look for anyone, anywhere, to ask that your rival be investigated. Yet the Biden claims on their own are worth an investigation (at the minimum) and Biden dropping out, as it seems like blatant corruption. I suppose the key question is if there is an official investigation into Hunter Biden, as well as when that investigation started, and if that investigation was independent of Biden announcing his run for president. I suspect that there is some sort of official investigation, otherwise, I don't think the WH would release the memo to the transcript like this. If this was one of many conversations Trump had with his Ukrainian counterpart, that might support the contention that Trump was just pressuring them (as in doing the work of a politician) to help in an ongoing investigation, an investigation that the Ukrainians might not want to get involved in, lest there be repercussions if Trump isn't re-elected.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:19 pm to KeyserSoze999
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he's asking a world leader of a country to investigate his own country's dealings with an operative, no?
Yeah, I'm just curious as to the legality of asking the president of another country to start his own internal investigation on a former VP now running for president against him. It doesn't seem illegal to me if there's a legit reason (which it seems there is), but I don't know the letter of the law.
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I mean wouldn't this be like asking a neighbor to deal with something in their own household? what in the world could be illegal about it? Trying to understand the fake outrage myself
Yeah, it's confusing and frustrating having to sort through the democrats' bullshite and the media's spin that's obviously being used for cover.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:19 pm to The Maj
the Dems are saying:
1. Trump makes decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine
2. Several days later, Trump talks to new Ukrainian president, and says "hey i'd appreciate it if you could get with my AG and look into some of this horse shite.."
3. Then the US releases the military aid
So their theory is that Trump's INTENTION was to withhold this aid until Ukraine agreed to look into past crimes by Biden, which would sink his presidential bid.. so therefore, Trump is using his office to influential a political race
1. Trump makes decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine
2. Several days later, Trump talks to new Ukrainian president, and says "hey i'd appreciate it if you could get with my AG and look into some of this horse shite.."
3. Then the US releases the military aid
So their theory is that Trump's INTENTION was to withhold this aid until Ukraine agreed to look into past crimes by Biden, which would sink his presidential bid.. so therefore, Trump is using his office to influential a political race
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:21 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Why wouldn't it be?
It does sound like he's asking for a Ukrainian investigation here. I'm unfamiliar with the Crowdstrike issue as well. Is this legal?
quote:Why wouldn't it be?
It also sounds like he's asking the guy to investigate the Biden situation. Again, is this legal?
I mean. Apparently, it's the Democrat's position that if you are the party out of power and the party in power becomes aware of you possible illegal acts on your part, that party can't do anything about it
Which, is an odd position given that they JUST frickING SANCTIONED SPYING on their political opponents and justified it by saying, "we thought he was doing something bad".
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:21 pm to upgrayedd
Didn’t the DOJ come out today and say nothing Trump did in the conversation was illegal?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:22 pm to upgrayedd
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Is it legal for him to ask for investigations into Biden/firing of the prosecutor as well as Crowdstrike (still not familiar with that issue)?
If this is illegal then if you witness a political opponent committing crimes it would be against the law to call the police on him/her. As of now I don't believe it's against the law to call the police on your political opponent if he is committing crimes.
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